Sometimes SNGs aren't poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed? - Page 4

pooh74 · #31 03-24-2006, 04:01 PM

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I would make a standard raise. SB then CANNOT fold his blind to the BB and keep him alive, so he's all in in his SB next hand regardless and NOTHING the current SB can do about it.

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yeah, seriously...any other answer here is completely "duh".

Even just calling, minraising, whatever, as long as you guarantee that 66% of BB's stack goes "poof" you've done well. Forget about the QQ in your hand...who cares?

Ditch Digger · #32 03-24-2006, 04:02 PM

Pretty sure we have every answer possible. I still like flat calling as it guarantees us 2nd place and doesn't risk losing anymore chips than we have to.

Nicholasp27 · #33 03-24-2006, 04:04 PM

flat calling does NOT guarantee us 2nd place

shorty can always WIN the hand...which doubles/triples him up...2-3 wins and u are in trouble

Ditch Digger · #34 03-24-2006, 04:05 PM

It's funny, 4 pages of posts on a situation that will most likely never happen to most of us. I guess it's a good poker exercise to think through scenarios like this one even if they hardly ever happen.

BadMongo · #35 03-24-2006, 04:07 PM

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I still like flat calling as it guarantees us 2nd place and doesn't risk losing anymore chips than we have to.

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What? BB can't go out this hand. How are we guaranteed 2nd?

Nicholasp27 · #36 03-24-2006, 04:07 PM

i've had people sit out (awhile ago a player's dad got into accident and he had to rush him to hospital...still got to bubble sitting out and i pushed a good hand instead of letting him blind out and got 4th)

Rick Nebiolo · #37 03-24-2006, 04:09 PM

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It's a unique situation but he can drain you dry if you keep folding on the button.

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Not really. BB is busto in 3 hands

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How often is BB busto? Isn't it reasonably possible that the short stack doubles up a couple times giving him more sticking power (perhaps enough so he even has a chance to make the money).

It seems folding endlessly is a mistake since you are significantly reduce your chances of taking first and could fold your way out of second. Sure first is only worth 60% while second is 40% but this makes first worth 50% more than second. If you double through the big stack you have a better chance at taking first (I'm playing so I hope someone else can do the math [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Anyway, QQ seems just too good to give up here.

~ Rick

Ditch Digger · #38 03-24-2006, 04:10 PM

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flat calling does NOT guarantee us 2nd place

shorty can always WIN the hand...which doubles/triples him up...2-3 wins and u are in trouble

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How is shorty going to win this hand if he's sitting out? I guess if SB calls and for some [censored] reason we both check it down.

Perhaps I should rephrase, unless something crazy happens we are guaranteed to get 2nd place if we continue to not let shorty get a walk.

bones · #39 03-24-2006, 04:11 PM

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i've had people sit out (awhile ago a player's dad got into accident and he had to rush him to hospital...still got to bubble sitting out and i pushed a good hand instead of letting him blind out and got 4th)

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I was gonna say "You didn't learn that from me" but you probably did. Sorry.

NJpokahplaya · #40 03-24-2006, 04:13 PM

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How often is BB busto? Isn't it reasonably possible that the short stack doubles up a couple times giving him more sticking power (perhaps enough so he even has a chance to make the money).

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After posting the BB has 130 behind and is still sitting out like he has been the whole way.

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BB is busto in 3 hands no matter what. If BB was playing this would be a push every time. The fact that he is sitting out and you are 100% guaranteed 2nd and 35% of the prize pool makes it a fold (or a limp if SB is savy enough to fold here if you do and push on your blind).