Sometimes SNGs aren't poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?

[Nicholasp27]

ok, so 65/35 structure...

70% of prize pool is given out once the bubble bursts

it's not worth risking your 35% for a better shot at the extra 30%...especially not for the 300 chips that you'd be stealing (3% of chips on table)

[Nicholasp27]

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Well if SB is smart he folds and keeps shorty there and keeps pushing any two into your big blind. It's a unique situation but he can drain you dry if you keep folding on the button. Push the queens if SB has any clue how to take advantage of his position.

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this won't work...bb only has 130 chips, so next round he's out...so he can't fold and keep pushing into you...he has to fold/call based on ev of that hand (and knowing he can push the next 2 hands)

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My post was referring to the situation that happens when Hero folds QQ. If Hero folds every hand big stack Villian can always fold his sb allowing short stack to stay alive.

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ah yes, since shorty is to villian's left, he can fold the blinds and keep shorty in forever

well if he's gonna do that, u have to push here...but the likelyhood of him doing that is probably pretty low

[TightIsRight]

Oh I see what you meant.

[Nicholasp27]

btw, if u did fold here and villian then folded to shorty to keep him in, you'd have to flat call the next round (push if premium hand) to force villian (or u) to play against shorty...otherwise he'll blind u down while keeping shorty alive...so flat call every time and fold to his reraise (unless premium hand) and then shorty will have to win some coin flips and villian can't just keep him in by folding to him

[Ditch Digger]

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What about raising to $400? If SB comes over the top and BB calls you insta-call. If SB comes over the top and BB folds, you fold. In my opinion you have to secure second place first and foremost and this prevents BB from getting a walk because if I'm chip leader I'm folding if you fold.

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The min raise might actually be the best play. Since BB is sitting out it really doesn't matter if SB comes over the top as long as BB doesn't get a walk. This is definitely outside the box thinking and it guarantees hero 2nd place. I like especially if we are unsure if SB has a tight calling range.

Edit: Yep, flat calling is better.

[kevstreet]

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What about raising to $400? If SB comes over the top and BB calls you insta-call. If SB comes over the top and BB folds, you fold. In my opinion you have to secure second place first and foremost and this prevents BB from getting a walk because if I'm chip leader I'm folding if you fold.

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BB has been sitting out the whole way. I don't think he's calling

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OK, but this guarantees the chip leader won't fold and give shorty a walk. 200 chips for shorty is a lot more important than 400 chips for you. Right or wrong I'm sacrificing about 14% of my stack to take 60%+ away from BB.

[Nicholasp27]

of course, bb could win the coinflip, so it doesn't guarantee 2nd for you

but with qq i'm pushing or folding...he hasn't shown yet that he is smart enough to fold to shorty when u fold

[tigerite]

I would make a standard raise. SB then CANNOT fold his blind to the BB and keep him alive, so he's all in in his SB next hand regardless and NOTHING the current SB can do about it.

[caretaker1]

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Each time I have raised on the button since it's been 3 handed, the SB (having me covered) has moved allin.


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There is a large difference between this and you opening for a push. If SB is as good as his re-raising would indicate, he's good enough not to flippantly call off half his stack and jeopardize your finish. I'd insta-push.

[Nicholasp27]

why make the raise when u can just flat call and accomplish the same thing? because of the tiny bit of FE from a raise?

i'd only see raising if i want sb to push with any2, giving me an 80/20 against that range

again, i don't think sb is good enough to fold to bb until i see it...at that point, i'll start flat calling any2 just to ensure no folding occurs...also, if the blind is about to go up before the next rotation, then i don't have to worry about that, as shorty will be put in by the blinds