You fold this?

[tehox]

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This was kind of a bluff post to my friends the folders. Perhaps I should have chosen a trickier hand...

Results below:
SB has Jd 5d (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Ac Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.50 BB.

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hmm, don't fold over pairs against unknowns at .5/1? So crazy it just might work.

[kiemo]

AA UTG only gets you blinds or sucked out when you raise it. Since getting sucked out sucks, just give it up preflop.

[Low Limit Loser]

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I can maybe make an arguement that raising the turn might get you a cheap showdown

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This I've gotta hear...

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I'm not saying it's a good arguement [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[milesdyson]

the argument would go something like this:

raising costs 2 BB or more to sd. call the # of bets here x.

calling down costs 2 BB or less to sd. call the # of bets here y.

x >= 2
y <= 2
so y <= 2 <= x

but x < y because poker math is governed by 4 a dimensional coordinate system

[mayday4379]

I call down after villain caps the flop. It seems like 2 pair or a set to me.

[bozlax]

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the argument would go something like this:

raising costs 2 BB or more to sd. call the # of bets here x.

calling down costs 2 BB or less to sd. call the # of bets here y.

x >= 2
y <= 2
so y <= 2 <= x

but x < y because poker math is governed by 4 a dimensional coordinate system

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Ah. I flunked 4-Dim.

[Buzz-cp]

1. wtf
2. I think Miles' sigh means don't put "Find a fold?" "Should I have folded somewhere" or "when do you think I was beat" in the subject line i.e. you are giving us the results, which per usual sucks.
3. I probably call-down from the turn, because when we get 3-bet, it's a sure sign we are behind, drawing to 2 outs, have are putting a lot of money in as such. Against an unknown, I want a showdown. I still wonder how this jives with the FTOP*.
4. you either have a new buddy or got pzwned
5. i think I suck at poker.
6. I just looked at the results. YOU THINK YOU ARE FUNHNY?? HU YOU AND ME $100/$200 FREEZEOUT LETSS GOO



* if he is on a flush draw our correct play is to cap this flop, but if we are behind, the correct move is to call the 3-bet and fold the turn. However, calldown = the superposition of raising when we are ahead, and folding when we are behind and not getting outs to draw at our hand. I call this the Fundamental Theorem of Quantum Poker. Anyhow, I guess it has to do with the possibility that villain plays a flush draw this way.

[Tupacia]

*Grunch*

Looks fine to me. I would have played it the exact same way.

[retleftolc]

I probably would have thrown a cap on that flop, but everything else the same.

ret

[Buckmulligan]

this looks like a good hand.