50/100 party hand

[GreywolfNYC]

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You're probably drawing to one out here. Dump it.

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He has at least 4 (all the 3's).

I think it's a fold.

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You're right. Thanks for correcting me.

[Leaky Eye]

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[shmahappens]

Calculate your number of outs. Balance for those that are clean (straight), those that aren't (flush/twopair) and decide if those warrant a call based on the pot size. Isn't this SSHE?

Is your question on leading the flop or not? Don't lead.

Iyou make your flush on the turn, lead.
If you make your straight, checkraise.

[HiatusOver]

I want all experts in succession who said fold to get back in this thread. Its almost for sure u have to continue here. There is no real reason to put anyone on a flush draw. A cap for value and to disguise your hand makes more sense to me than a fold (although I think call is best so u keep everyone in)

[Paluka]

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I want all experts in succession who said fold to get back in this thread. Its almost for sure u have to continue here. There is no real reason to put anyone on a flush draw. A cap for value and to disguise your hand makes more sense to me than a fold (although I think call is best so u keep everyone in)

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Math pls.

[baronzeus]

I never give opponents credit for flush draws, so I'd call 3 cold.

[HiatusOver]

I dont really think its close so I dont see why I have to do the math. You guys are the one who want to fold a big draw here, I would think u would have some idea of how many times the flush draw is out there and how often that has to happen to turn it into a fold.

I do agree that it comes down to a math problem but I would be kind of suprised if my variables make it close.

Maybe I will attempt it later I dunno

[Turning Stone Pro]

I stand behind my original post. I lead on the flop, and check-call the turn if the turn doesnt help me. No way do i put folks on a diamond draw on the flop (remember, I am acting first).

I like my hand, I'm going to put $ in the pot. It's really that simple. I rather start the betting than be sitting around calling 2 or 3 bets cold when it comes back to me on the flop after checking. The main reason for this is that folks will know for sure what I have when this happens.

I bet the flop, and try to make a move on the turn if I hit. Not playing this hand with this flop, as is recommended by some highly respected posters, is incorrect in my humble opinion.

TSP

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Good post TSP. Its an interesting idea to lead here, but the position of the pre-flop raise in my opinions makes a lead here worse than other options. U leading and the PF raiser clearing the field is a horrible result for u. You dont want anyone folding on this flop.

What do u think about that? Dont u want to trap the field in here for atleast one bet on the flop when your equity should be huge instead of getting HU and being a dog?

[Turning Stone Pro]

I definately see your point. My experience indicates that if you have 3 cold callers after an early raise pre-flop (which is unusual in and of itself), they are not all going to muck if it is two small bets to them with this type of flop. What did these cold callers have preflop? I'd have to put them on medium pairs or various high cards, maybe suited connectors (hopefully not diamonds).

I do see your point, and I think the flop lead would be significantly better if you had 3 limpers and a late raise PF.

The only thing I know for sure is that I would never lay this hand down on the flop from the BB -- if I ever would, I would never have called with it PF in the first place.

TSP