AQo out-of-position; after getting 3-bet PF

JoeyFrogs · #1 03-18-2006, 08:30 PM

First orbit after sitting down. I have only played one hand before and I won that hand without a showdown. Stats on the villian from a short previous session are 25/11/2. How would everyone here feel about getting raised on the flop? Also, am I correct to cap preflop?

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 3-bets, 5 folds, Hero Caps, MP2 calls.

I probably should not have capped here. What does capping accomplish in this spot?

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

I bet out here because its a flop that I like... I get to hit my A. I am ahead of KK-QQ and behind AK. After getting raised I go into calldown mode. Should I have remained aggressive?

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Results:
Final pot: 8.75BB

Niediam · #2 03-18-2006, 08:35 PM

Don't cap preflop. Villians 3betting range is probably something like AA-99 and AK.

Warren Harding · #3 03-18-2006, 09:43 PM

What capping PF accomplishes is that you now get a note from villian saying "capable of capping AQo EP OOP". This may help you against him in the future. Against non-thinking players without a read, don't bother trying to be deceptive. Agaisnt thinking players that you see repeatedly, it's okay to do it a minority of the time.

The flop, you should bet. You got the hand you wanted, and you really want to know how villian will react. There is no need to get more aggressive. You are behind AK, AJ, JJ, AA, while you beat KK, QQ, TT, KQs whatever other pairs s/he isolates you with, and what other hands villian wants to play you HU. You lose to most of villian's range, especially the portion flop-raises the PF capper, while much of what you beat will fold the turn leaving you with a bad risk-to-reward ratio.

The question is whether to call down or fold. Expect calling down to be, from the the start of the flop raise to be: putting in 2.5 BB to win 8 (what's in the pot at the flop raise + the two bets villian is likely to make). Thus you need to be ahead now or will draw out AND will not be drawn out upon 2.5/8 ~ 1/3 of the time.

Against AK you have 3 outs. You are crushed by the rest. However, there are more cards that that may hurt you: [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]s, other high cards can hurt you but give you a redraw. All in all, I'd say the cards yet to come are a wash, or a slight negative for you.

Whatever the case, reads are crucial; it is a judgment call regarding how wide open villians range is. Keep in mind you capped and the flop came up dangerous to the hands you'd like to be against like KK, QQ, TT, 99, etc, but villian still raises. Without real reads, I'd call the flop and check-fold the turn.

Did s/he show AQs?

JoeyFrogs · #4 03-19-2006, 01:16 AM

Good reasoning there, Warren. I went into call down mode and villian showed KK. I am still not sure if I like my line. I guess, without a read, I will call down in this position in the future.

Do you all still check the turn? Or should I bet the turn? I think betting the turn might be spewing when behind. There arent many hands I am beating here. I want to get to a cheap showdown right?

PacMann · #5 03-19-2006, 03:23 AM

I don't often cap this preflop against seemingly reasonable opponents. If I was MP and the same 25/11 button raised, I'll cap then. given the cap I think you played it the only way it could be played.
nice hand

JacksonTens · #6 03-19-2006, 06:36 AM

The cap is crazy.
I don't value decep capping at this level.

Yes go into call down mode.
Maybe donk the river if you must make sure the money goes in. Remember he raised you on the flop after you capped. He isn't afraid of the A.

river me please · #7 03-20-2006, 04:10 AM

I don't cap preflop. Bet the flop. After he raises I probably call down. Too many times I have seen KK/QQ raise a flop like this to try to get someone off a weak/mid A. You could donk the river to make sure you get a bet in. I do [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]