2/4 Flop, River

JoeyFrogs · #1 03-17-2006, 10:49 AM

I raise the flop, hoping for a free card on the turn if I do not improve. Is this line of thinking correct?

Should I raise this river and call a 3-bet? Or is simply calling down in this situatino ok? I find this is another leak in my play.

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (13.5SB, 4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9.75BB, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12.75BB, 3 players)
UTG+1 folds, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 14.75BB

Warren Harding · #2 03-17-2006, 03:36 PM

Raising the flop for a free card is a close decision. You won't clean up outs because UTG+1 will have the odds to call unless fears a cap, but probably isn't thinking that far ahead and you won't cap. Going for a free card is a close decision because: your 10 outs are dirty (MP1 is acting like s/he has two high cards, thus eihter has two pair now or will when a K or A falls) and since MP1 has shown strength on both streets, your odds of getting the free card are reduced. I treat this like 7 outs: gutshot and half the overcards. 7 outs and a big pot is still reason enough to use the free card tactic, but given that you don't have value and are less likely to succeed, I think you should call instead.

River, the call is fine. Perhaps MP1 rivered a straight, but other than a straight or flush, I don't see what else s/he reasonably bets with and calls a raise from you.

MoreWineII · #3 03-17-2006, 03:42 PM

I think it's close, but I probably call here. The only reason to raise would be for a free card, so I guess it would somewhat depend on how likely I thought I was to get that free card.

Delzek15 · #4 03-17-2006, 06:37 PM

I would think this is pretty standard. The flop raise, as others have said, is pretty close. Depending on what mood I'm in I would either raise/call. NH.

sean c · #5 03-17-2006, 06:43 PM

I don't think the flop is close at all i think it is an easy raise with a player left to act two overcards, a bdfd and gutter in this very nice pot. I raise/call the river and expect to see a king here more often than a flush.

Pocket77s · #6 03-17-2006, 07:12 PM

I like your play all the way man. I think calling the river is best, if you raise and you get 3-bet, you loose 3BB when you are behind but loose only one if you call and lose. If you are ahead, he's only going to pay you off with 2BB. I hope he was betting KQo. If he really was on a FD wouldn't he have 3bet the flop? Depend on how aggro he is.