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09-16-2007, 11:52 PM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)
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[ QUOTE ] Not sure about the other guy, but Graycat has always played LHE like a schizo and has traditionally been a huge donor. STAGE #676850912: HOLDEM NORMAL $150/$300 - 2007-06-07 19:19:48 (ET) Table: LOWLAND AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer Seat 2 - DONKEY1211 ($6098.50 in chips) Seat 3 - COGSTER ($52815 in chips) Seat 4 - GRAYCAT ($8020 in chips) Seat 5 - SCHDNFRD ($32375.50 in chips) Seat 6 - EZ2PLY ($2700 in chips) Seat 9 - MARK SEIF ($8173.65 in chips) Seat 1 - FRDM25 ($24328 in chips) COGSTER - Posts small blind $100 GRAYCAT - Posts big blind $150 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to FRDM25 [4d 4h] SCHDNFRD - Folds EZ2PLY - Raises $300 to $300 MARK SEIF - Calls $300 FRDM25 - Calls $300 DONKEY1211 - Folds COGSTER - Calls $200 GRAYCAT - Raises $300 to $450 EZ2PLY - Calls $150 MARK SEIF - Calls $150 FRDM25 - Calls $150 COGSTER - Calls $150 *** FLOP *** [2d 2s 7c] COGSTER - Checks GRAYCAT - Bets $150 EZ2PLY - Calls $150 MARK SEIF - Raises $300 to $300 FRDM25 - Folds COGSTER - Raises $450 to $450 GRAYCAT - Raises $450 to $600 EZ2PLY - Folds MARK SEIF - Calls $300 COGSTER - Calls $150 *** TURN *** [2d 2s 7c] [Jh] COGSTER - Bets $300 GRAYCAT - Raises $600 to $600 MARK SEIF - Raises $900 to $900 COGSTER - Raises $900 to $1200 GRAYCAT - Calls $600 MARK SEIF - Calls $300 *** RIVER *** [2d 2s 7c Jh] [Ks] COGSTER - Bets $300 GRAYCAT - Calls $300 MARK SEIF - Folds *** SHOW DOWN *** COGSTER - Shows [Ah 2h] (Three of a kind, twos) GRAYCAT - Shows [10h 10d] (Two Pair, tens and twos) COGSTER Collects $8395 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($8400) | Rake ($5) Board [2d 2s 7c Jh Ks] Seat 1: FRDM25 Folded on the FLOP Seat 2: DONKEY1211 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 3: COGSTER (small blind) won Total ($8395) HI  $8395) with Three of a kind, twos [Ah 2h - B:2s,P:2h,B:2d,P:Ah,B:Ks] Seat 4: GRAYCAT (big blind) HI:lost with Two Pair, tens and twos [10h 10d - P:10h,P:10d,B:2s,B:2d,B:Ks] Seat 5: SCHDNFRD Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 6: EZ2PLY Folded on the FLOP Seat 9: MARK SEIF Folded on the RIVER STAGE #676848309: HOLDEM NORMAL $150/$300 - 2007-06-07 19:16:25 (ET) Table: LOWLAND AVE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer Seat 4 - GRAYCAT ($11020 in chips) Seat 5 - SCHDNFRD ($32475.50 in chips) Seat 9 - MARK SEIF ($9283.65 in chips) Seat 1 - FRDM25 ($18838 in chips) Seat 2 - DONKEY1211 ($6948.50 in chips) Seat 3 - COGSTER ($52965 in chips) SCHDNFRD - Posts small blind $100 MARK SEIF - Posts big blind $150 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to FRDM25 [10d Ad] FRDM25 - Raises $300 to $300 DONKEY1211 - Folds COGSTER - Folds GRAYCAT - Raises $450 to $450 SCHDNFRD - Folds MARK SEIF - Calls $300 FRDM25 - Calls $150 *** FLOP *** [8s 3d 6d] MARK SEIF - Checks FRDM25 - Checks GRAYCAT - Bets $150 MARK SEIF - Raises $300 to $300 FRDM25 - Raises $450 to $450 GRAYCAT - Calls $300 MARK SEIF - Calls $150 *** TURN *** [8s 3d 6d] [Qd] MARK SEIF - Checks FRDM25 - Bets $300 GRAYCAT - Raises $600 to $600 MARK SEIF - Raises $900 to $900 FRDM25 - Raises $900 to $1200 GRAYCAT - Calls $600 MARK SEIF - Calls $300 *** RIVER *** [8s 3d 6d Qd] [Kc] MARK SEIF - Checks FRDM25 - Bets $300 GRAYCAT - Calls $300 MARK SEIF - Folds *** SHOW DOWN *** FRDM25 - Shows [10d Ad] (Flush, ace high) GRAYCAT - Mucks FRDM25 Collects $6995 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($7000) | Rake ($5) Board [8s 3d 6d Qd Kc] Seat 1: FRDM25 won Total ($6995) HI $6995) with Flush, ace high [10d Ad - P:Ad,B:Qd,P:10d,B:6d,B:3d] Seat 2: DONKEY1211 Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 3: COGSTER Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 4: GRAYCAT (dealer) HI: [Mucked] [Qs Js] Seat 5: SCHDNFRD (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 9: MARK SEIF (big blind) Folded on the RIVER [/ QUOTE ] All high stakes LHE hands kind of look like this, but I'm definitely getting a GREYCAT/SEIF attempted whipsaw feeling in these two. Not claiming it's actual evidence, but given the rest of the thread, might be worth looking into. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, This is a HUGE red flag. Seif threebets both of these hands on the turn and then folds both of them on the river for ONE bet. I know alot of you guys dont play min-bet, but this is almost unheard of, especially 3 minutes apart! WTF!. Looks like obvious pump-n-dump scenerio. very, very, shady. I know this thread doesn't focus on collusion specifically, but wow there could but a whole lot of crazy [censored] going on there, and could be more widespread than you think. |
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#302
09-17-2007, 12:01 AM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)
I certainly think this player is cheating, stats like that cannot be accomplished over any sort of sample size. I wish that there were more hands (obv). That being said, am I the only one that understands the line of thinking this guy was taking in these nl pots? They are mostly HU pots and while it is obviously a -EV strategy, I can at least understand graycats thinking on many of the hands if he wasn't cheating.
The doubledrag coming on tonight and dumping all cash further implicates him IMO and is perhaps a result of guilt and the fact that he likely will not be able to get the money off if it is true. He isn't likely to have a personal vendetta against any of the players he stole from, they just happened to be the ones that sat with him. He likely figured he would give some of it back to the people he stole from in an effort to make it better in his mind, like he was the good guy in some perverted way. -DFS edit: and some of the evidence given is that he folds when other players have a big hand. |
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#303
09-17-2007, 12:05 AM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It is a little strange that he's willing to invest this much money in trying to repair his image considering the fact that we all estimated he won a few hundred thousand at most. If anything, I think this may be an indication that the cheating is more widespread than just his account, and he's trying to do everything he can to repair the damage he's done to his ring of cheaters. [/ QUOTE ] It may also be that he knows he's never going to get that money off, so he might as well entertain us with it/make it harder for Absolute to get it for themselves. [/ QUOTE ] This was my thought too. He probably realizes the jig is up and he might as well have some fun. He might also be dumping to people that he knows while simultaneously dumping to well-known 2p2ers or anyone who will sit at the table. Mixing up his dumping strategy is his best hope for getting money off at this point. Of course, if he's smart enough to mix up his dumping strategy, he probably would have been smart enough to be more careful about this. [/ QUOTE ] if he was really smart he would have at least payed off some better hands some of the time, pay off AA preflop type things and go about getting a 10ptbb winrate or something |
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#307
09-17-2007, 12:29 AM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)
ok abot 1/3rd through the new thread....
but has anyone pointed out yet that if this guy is doing coverplay he definitely reads 2+2? and if he reads it he probly posts here? which means.... DOUBLEDRAG IS SOMEONE IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW! |
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#308
09-17-2007, 12:34 AM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)
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ok abot 1/3rd through the new thread.... but has anyone pointed out yet that if this guy is doing coverplay he definitely reads 2+2? and if he reads it he probly posts here? which means.... DOUBLEDRAG IS SOMEONE IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW! [/ QUOTE ] erm... this story is pretty much the top story on every poker forum right now. Fell |
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#310
09-17-2007, 12:35 AM
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Re: Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)
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ok abot 1/3rd through the new thread.... but has anyone pointed out yet that if this guy is doing coverplay he definitely reads 2+2? and if he reads it he probly posts here? which means.... DOUBLEDRAG IS SOMEONE IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW! [/ QUOTE ] Oh God |
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