Common situation with awkward stack sizes $4.40

[BlueEcho]

Hmmm maybe i'm off a bit on the calling range. And if so then a go and go is best. Intially it seemed very likely to me that you are getting looked up here. If you think you that's crazy then I'll have to reevaluate my thinking in these spots. I just figured big stacks + 4.40 = loose call.

[Sherman]

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Hmmm maybe i'm off a bit on the calling range. And if so then a go and go is best. Intially it seemed very likely to me that you are getting looked up here. If you think you that's crazy then I'll have to reevaluate my thinking in these spots. I just figured big stacks + 4.40 = loose call.

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Mike,

You are probably a better judge of what is calling than me right now. I've been playing a ton of cash games and no one ever calls that sort of bet in cash games. And I haven't a played a 4/180 in quite some time...so don't second guess yourself just yet.

[Sherman]

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As far as a go and go, I was under the impression that works better when you are oop so you get to act first and shove. If we get a call and we are in position, and they lead into us on a bad flop are we still just shoving it?

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You are absolutely correct Mark and determining the correct play on the flop if villain stop and goes us is going to be tricky. However, I think we can safely fold on K high rainbow flops. We should call on two spade flops as well, especially if we have two overs (no king). I'd probably also call on flops in which I have more than six outs. If we only have what appears to be 6 outs or less, we have to fold. But in those cases, it seems that villain really let us off easy by donk-leading and we should be happy. A villain should not be donk-bluffing into us given the pot-size and our stack size with air...it doesn't make sense to.

Anyhow, do realize that by raising larger than normal PF, we are often picking up this pot PF anyway.

Sherman

[kenny7]

I haven't done the math or anything,and if i'm way off,I apologize,but shoving seems pretty bad to me.I accept that there probably are alot of people that will call w KJ etc here,however,although I agree with butcho that it's OK to take a coinflip when 88 calls,we are still behind.Think I'm being seriously longwinded here,but the point I'm getting to is that for everytime we get called by the KJ type hands,won't we run in to a monster? We are after all in MP,lots of people still to act and if either of them has AK or QQ+....not good for us,so a big raise has to be better.

[markbris]

I agree with the go n go move but theres probably not a ton of difference between it and shoving as we probably do get looked up by garbage a fair amount. Your point about maybe running into a monster doesnt make sense though because if we raise to 350 and someone shoves we are calling anyways so we get it in against monsters either way.

[Bond18]

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I like making a bigger raise than normal, say to t350 or t375 and shove any flop. Go and Go style.

Anyhow, I like this better than a normal raise b/c then your bet on the flop is ~PSB. Your hand is too valuable to limp with IMO. Also, a Go and Go works great in this spot b/c even if you miss the flop and get called, you likely have outs to TP; making your flop shove a semi-bluff rather than an outright bluff. So doing this with something like 44, is not so good IMO.

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I think you nailed it here Sherman. I used to have trouble with this spot, and found doing something like this really yields the best results.

[DeuceSeven]

Folding and limping are both bad, I will add sherman's strategy to my repertoire. Might have made me some money had I known about this.

Great advice sherman. I am always torn between shoving or raising 3xbb. Or in spots with an m of around 10 with AQ utg at a 7 handed table, I hate shoving with AQ getting called by 88 and flipping or not getting action from worse Aces. I also hate making a standard raise getting 3 callers and bricking the flop.

[Noir_Desir]

I would shove 1st in at 50/100 blinds with this stack, and i dont see much difference here with 25/50 blinds and two limpers, except the additional possibility of a limper calling with a dominated hand, so i shove here.

[Cleverbeans]

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I think you nailed it here Sherman. I used to have trouble with this spot, and found doing something like this really yields the best results.

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So what do we do in a spot where one limper calls, the flop comes KJ4 rainbow and the limper open shoves? Do we call/fold?

Or what if both limpers stick around, and the flop comes AT5 monotone and not our suit and the initial limper jams and the second limper calls?

[BlueEcho]

The point of a go and go is that you aren't really even looking at the flop you are just going.