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Old 09-08-2007, 09:44 AM
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Default Re: Not Raising Pre Flop with KK against Calling Stations Early MTT

Oh, and if I can get a call with AJo EVERY TIME I have KK and we can go all in preflop, I think I am a very happy camper.

Why is seeing a flop with KK better than being a 71/29 all in preflop.

We need to catch cards and win showdowns to win tournaments. Its simply not possible to accumulate chips all tournament long without ever showing a hand. If we can force an all in where we have a 70%+ chance to double up, we should, end of story.

Your poker buddies sound like they are not idiots. Listen to them. We raise, reraise, and 4bet our kings preflop as much as possible. Getting a call by a trashy AJ is a *GOOD* result. As for the ace flopping, whatever.. people suck out all the time in this game. It is very hard to force an all in showdown where we are better than 70% to win. To win tournaments we need to force those situations as often as possible.

Also - with respect to the Ace flopping, so.... What happens when we are called by TT,JJ,QQ and an Ace flops? We check fold the winning hand? Stellar. We bet and fold to a shove with the winning hand? Super-fantastic. We somehow gain a magical insight that they are behind and go all in anyway? Even better. Your sarcasm meter should be blazing right now. If we are forced to bet to see where we are at when an ace comes, why is it better than just pushing it preflop. If we are planning to fold on every ace high flop, arent we losing an aweful lot of value against hands that were calling us preflop but were behind like QQ/JJ/TT ?

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