pokerev, winning pots without showdown [theory]

[Snipe]

Only graph I have available as I'm still at work

I'd add that I think we'd get more out of this thread if people would post screen shots of their stats over the period which the graph covers.





I'd add that I think we'd get more out of this thread if people would post screen shots of their stats over the period which the graph covers.

[UmbertoEco]

Ok, here is mine too

[tarath]

I run 20/15/2.2 and over about 30k hands at 4.5PTBB/100 my green line is well below my red and blue

[bpc009]

oops, just posted mine in the poker cheese thread. but i'll do it here too...

[LearnedfromTV]

i've got a question about this thing:

how does it handle a hand like this:

1/2 eff. stack 200. Limper, villain raises to 10, someone calls, rr to 40 w/ AA, both call.

Flop ($120) Kxx. Bet $80, one of them calls.

$80 left behind

Turn ($280) J. Shove the $80, KJ calls.

PokerEV treats this as $440 getting in w/ you having 20% or whatever equity? Or does it do something with the equity on earlier streets relative to the amounts put in the pot then?

Another kinda absurd example: Bet all but $1 on the flop w/ top pair, guy calls w/ gutshot, gets there, last $ in on turn.

[aislephive]

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i've got a question about this thing:

how does it handle a hand like this:

1/2 eff. stack 200. Limper, villain raises to 10, someone calls, rr to 40 w/ AA, both call.

Flop ($120) Kxx. Bet $80, one of them calls.

$80 left behind

Turn ($280) J. Shove the $80, KJ calls.

PokerEV treats this as $440 getting in w/ you having 20% or whatever equity? Or does it do something with the equity on earlier streets relative to the amounts put in the pot then?

Another kinda absurd example: Bet all but $1 on the flop w/ top pair, guy calls w/ gutshot, gets there, last $ in on turn.

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I'm almost positive that they take into account stuff like that.

[tannenj]

how do you know, aisle? was this addressed in the software forum thread? obviously, if this stuff isn't taken into account, the program loses a lot of its luster.

some comments about the sick msnl graphs (carrot's, kotkis's, another bbv dude's, ahnuld's): i submit that a big part of the reason these guys can post graphs like these is the nature of the games in which they play. at ssnl and below, villains don't fold. in general, the way to make big bucks in these games is to town people. thus, i submit that having a graph with a green line above the other lines is much more difficult at small stakes than it is at msnl and above. not to take anything away from the abovementioned players, but i doubt their graphs would look similar if they played 100 nl.

most of the graphs posted in here support my argument. you'll notice that for a graph in which the green line approaches the other two lines, the poster has been running above equity (blue line > red line).

enough rambling i guess. i do think this stuff is interesting and has merit. fwiw, here's the info. i currently have saved (i run bad, obviously):

[Rainclouds]

in the analysis tab you can see how the equity is calculated for every street

[aislephive]

Yeah I briefly remember a hand I played where I called a flop min c/r with 88 on a J75 flop, turn was a 7 check check, river 9 guy bet and I called like a donkey and lost to A7. Anyways, I lost like 200 on the hand (400nl) but my sklansky bucks were a decent amount more, so it must have taken into account street by street otherwise my river call = sklansky bucks.

[tannenj]

ah. it seems i have a bunch to learn about this program. it has a ton of options.

double eagle posts in the cheese thread,

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Generally if you are a winning player it means you pay a lot more in blinds than you steal and by itself does not indicate a leak. Try filtering for hands where you either raise or call preflop (which gets rid of all of the blind hands where you don't vpip), and if your green line is still below your blue line then that is an indication you are playing too weakly postflop.

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an interesting point. fwiw, mine: