JJ - get it in on the flop?

[KingsTown]

MP is unknown.

1. Do we get it in on the flop here?
2. Does calling and open-pushing a blank turn make any sense?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4
Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $184.80
BB: $397.60
Hero (UTG): $400.00
MP: $400.00
CO: $90.00
BTN: $696.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $16.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $56.00</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls $40.00

Flop: ($118) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $100.00</font> Hero?

[ipokeder]

yes
no

[KingsTown]

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no

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It'd help if you could ellaborate a little ... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[ipokeder]

because it decreases our equity vs every single good hand in his range except AsKx, and doesn't allow him to make a stupid call with TT/99/88/77/66, and also there aren't a lot of other hands that you will be flatting flop shoving turn with if you do it with JJ.

[d2themfi]

well assuming that the villain is Taggy, his range crushes us when he calls. But at this point there is 200+ in the pot and you have less than 350 in ur stack, i think with no reads its an easy push. Its one of those spots where yuor really not looking to get called if the guy is a decent player, but shoving is stil +EV

[d2themfi]

also if your not gonna crai on this flop then calling preflop is def -EV

[crossroader]

With no reads i think u have to fold here. Assuming he doesnt have a wide rr range pf then good chance ur either beat here or he is a favorite to draw out, ran some numbers..if hes got either AK or AQ with a spade hes about 56% favorite, if hes got either AA, KK or QQ w/a spade ur toast (hes around 90% favorite) even if hes got AA, KK or QQ w/o a spade hes still about 56% favorite ofcourse he could b reraising with a much wider range but like u said hes unkown so i would give him credit for something. another thing, why not lead the flop to c where u are? may have been able to get to a relatively cheap showdown against qq, ak, aq, etc depending on turn &amp; river. just my thought

[praios]

i get it in here