top set on flush board

[lairnair]

pot the flop

[Chicago Kid]

BB checked to me, I led out $50, with the intent to call if UTG+1 pushes.

My thinking was that I'd get UTG+1 to muck and probably get one of the others to call.

Checking was never an option. Even though I felt one of the last three would take a shot at this, I wanted to try to price those on a flush draw out.

Anyway, UTG+1 pushes, others muck, I call.

He shows A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I guess he figured me for top pair?

Turn comes 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], River T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

That's poker. Right move--just got unlucky.

FWIW, UTG+1 says later he would have called an all-in, but I guess it's easy to say that after the fact.

[xGREGORx]

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this is a very easy push, the reason you push is that a PSB is giving UTG+2 great odds to draw if he's got a flush draw because the shorties can only call all in. He knows that at least one of the other two players are very likely to call all in and both might....since that is the case, he'll call a PSB knowing he's going to get odds...if you push he isn't...hopefully he'll fold out and one or both of the shorties will come along, and you stand to be ahead.

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I'm still inclined to pot it. I don't care if anyone calls on a flush draw. Let says UTG+2 only calls a PSB of $65 and the two shorties fold. Now the pot has $195, and I have $72 left in my stack. Even if the 4th heart comes on the turn, I am getting all-in because the remaining $72 from me and $72 from UTG+2's flush puts the pot at $339 meaning my $72 is getting 4.7 to 1 pot odds. With 10 outs on the river, I'm 3.6 to 1 to improve to a full house or quad J's, so I've got the odds to redraw. Might as well let them all draw on the flop then and pot size bet it then. The pot odds get even better if the shorties join the fun. Certainly a gambling approach to the hand versus blowing everyone out with an all-in on the flop, but I've got the correct odds to make that gamble.

[c_strong]

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this is a very easy push, the reason you push is that a PSB is giving UTG+2 great odds to draw if he's got a flush draw because the shorties can only call all in. He knows that at least one of the other two players are very likely to call all in and both might....since that is the case, he'll call a PSB knowing he's going to get odds...if you push he isn't...hopefully he'll fold out and one or both of the shorties will come along, and you stand to be ahead.

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I totally agree - just open push. This is a nightmare with the shorties in the pot. You need to guarantee seeing all five cards as you may be drawing or redrawing.

[djoyce003]

if utg+1 calls and the other shorties do, he's getting the right price to draw. If you push, he isn't. Give him a chance to make a mistake.

[Fly]

Shove it in.

[xorbie]

push