The Mike Vick case... am I a life nit?

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People have become over-exposed and desensitized to houman violence. Its the same reasom the saddest scene in a movie is if the dog dies versus if a human dies.

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Great point. Additionally I believe that if we actually went out and hunted for meat instead of just buying it people would have a different perspective on this. We are very insulated as a people from what animals do to each other in the wild, and to those of us who eat meat we indirectly do to them as well. Of course what he did was awful but raping or abusing a woman is much much worse.

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NO. Animals in the wild fight each other for survival. They don't harm each other to get their kicks. In the same vein, we eat meat for survival, and hunting for survival is o.k.. What is not o.k. is getting pleasure from harming animals or watching animals harm each other. That is morally wrong, and worse than alot of human on human acts.

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A local radio meathead here actually said that what Vick was accused of was way worse than what Kobe was accused of.

WTF.

I think it's worse to rape one woman than to torture and kill all the dogs on earth.

Vick is a scumbag if he ran a dogfighting ring, but he's far less of a scumbag than someone like, say, Warren Moon, who beat the living [censored] out of his wife to the point that his child said 'my daddy is killing my mommy' to the 911 operator. Moon is in the Hall of Fame, Vick's career is over.

Something's not right here.

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A woman who's husband is beating her can file charges and LEAVE. The dogs don't have that option. They care mistreated from birth and trained to kill other dogs. They fight until they get too injured to continue and are killed, or they die in the ring, etc. Don't even mention the dogs that some of these people STEAL from peoples yards and use them to "train" their dogs to kill.

Anyone willing to participate in something like this could also probably easily do it to people instead of dogs. Anyone that will do this is a GIANT piece of [censored] and honestly deserves a bullet in the head. That won't happen, so jail time will have to suffice.

PS. I have a strong stomach, really strong. I watched the piece on dogfighting on Bryant Gumbels HBO show and I had to change the channel for parts of it. Not sure that's ever happened to me on a show before. They also had a person who's dog was kidnapped from his yard and used as a bait dog by a dog-fighting operation. The rage I felt was unimaginable. Whatever he gets is not enough.

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A local radio meathead here actually said that what Vick was accused of was way worse than what Kobe was accused of.

WTF.

I think it's worse to rape one woman than to torture and kill all the dogs on earth.

Vick is a scumbag if he ran a dogfighting ring, but he's far less of a scumbag than someone like, say, Warren Moon, who beat the living [censored] out of his wife to the point that his child said 'my daddy is killing my mommy' to the 911 operator. Moon is in the Hall of Fame, Vick's career is over.

Something's not right here.

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A woman who's husband is beating her can file charges and LEAVE. The dogs don't have that option. They care mistreated from birth and trained to kill other dogs. They fight until they get too injured to continue and are killed, or they die in the ring, etc. Don't even mention the dogs that some of these people STEAL from peoples yards and use them to "train" their dogs to kill.

Anyone willing to participate in something like this could also probably easily do it to people instead of dogs. Anyone that will do this is a GIANT piece of [censored] and honestly deserves a bullet in the head. That won't happen, so jail time will have to suffice.

PS. I have a strong stomach, really strong. I watched the piece on dogfighting on Bryant Gumbels HBO show and I had to change the channel for parts of it. Not sure that's ever happened to me on a show before. They also had a person who's dog was kidnapped from his yard and used as a bait dog by a dog-fighting operation. The rage I felt was unimaginable. Whatever he gets is not enough.

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Well Said.

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People have become over-exposed and desensitized to houman violence. Its the same reasom the saddest scene in a movie is if the dog dies versus if a human dies.

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Great point. Additionally I believe that if we actually went out and hunted for meat instead of just buying it people would have a different perspective on this. We are very insulated as a people from what animals do to each other in the wild, and to those of us who eat meat we indirectly do to them as well. Of course what he did was awful but raping or abusing a woman is much much worse.

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NO. Animals in the wild fight each other for survival. They don't harm each other to get their kicks. In the same vein, we eat meat for survival, and hunting for survival is o.k.. What is not o.k. is getting pleasure from harming animals or watching animals harm each other. That is morally wrong, and worse than alot of human on human acts.

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If thats how you feel than you must agree with this point made above:

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This might be crazy but I dont think dogfighting should even be illegal if you are allowed to hunt animals. That seems just as cruel to me.

Alot of times when you are hunting with a bow and arrow you will shoot a deer then have to track it for miles while it runs and bleeds itself to death. Then when it is not dead you have to take a knife and slit their throats. That seems just as mean to me as dog fighting.

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Or you might feel that hunting for sport is wrong as well. This would be consistent and logical. But either way there is a very big inconsistency in the way the law treats these two activities. I can understand your problem with people taking pleasure in seeing animals harmed and I share your outrage. However, comparing it to abuse of humans is an insult to humanity.

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Ray Lewis did his punishment and O.J. was proven to be innocent. Are all of you communists that are against a trial by jury?

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Wow, way to bring two murderers in to bolster your defense of a psychopath! Sadly, we give you no points because the cold war was twenty years ago and invoking communism no longer blinds people to your idiocy.

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I do feel hunting for sport is wrong, and I understand I'm in the minority here. You should only kill an animal if you intend to use it for food and necessities to live. Hunting for pleasure and killing innocent animals just for sport with no need or intention to use the remains is wrong.

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A local radio meathead here actually said that what Vick was accused of was way worse than what Kobe was accused of.

WTF.

I think it's worse to rape one woman than to torture and kill all the dogs on earth.

Vick is a scumbag if he ran a dogfighting ring, but he's far less of a scumbag than someone like, say, Warren Moon, who beat the living [censored] out of his wife to the point that his child said 'my daddy is killing my mommy' to the 911 operator. Moon is in the Hall of Fame, Vick's career is over.

Something's not right here.

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A woman who's husband is beating her can file charges and LEAVE. The dogs don't have that option. They care mistreated from birth and trained to kill other dogs. They fight until they get too injured to continue and are killed, or they die in the ring, etc. Don't even mention the dogs that some of these people STEAL from peoples yards and use them to "train" their dogs to kill.

Anyone willing to participate in something like this could also probably easily do it to people instead of dogs. Anyone that will do this is a GIANT piece of [censored] and honestly deserves a bullet in the head. That won't happen, so jail time will have to suffice.

PS. I have a strong stomach, really strong. I watched the piece on dogfighting on Bryant Gumbels HBO show and I had to change the channel for parts of it. Not sure that's ever happened to me on a show before. They also had a person who's dog was kidnapped from his yard and used as a bait dog by a dog-fighting operation. The rage I felt was unimaginable. Whatever he gets is not enough.

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what vick did is worse than what Kobe did?



assuming both are 100% guilty.

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Ray Lewis did his punishment and O.J. was proven to be innocent. Are all of you communists that are against a trial by jury?

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Lewis's "punishment" was one year of probation, and no suspension by the NFL. I don't think he actually committed the murder, but he was definitely involved in the cover-up.

O.J. was found "not guilty." He was not "proved innocent," as you said. There is an enormous difference between the two. Also, he was found liable for the two deaths in a civil trial and still owes the Goldmans $33 million. Any carbon-based life form knows OJ is the murderer.

The point is, neither of these two scumbags served any time, and Vick is going up the river for dogfighting. This doesn't seem right to a lot of us.

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I'm sure Vick's lawyers will bring up all the relevant precedents set by various cases against football players. Prosecution lawyers will probably cite how Chris Washburn was sentenced to 3 years for cocaine possession and how dog fighting is worse than recreational drug use, but the judge will rule that it's irrelevant since he was a basketball player.

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PS... I hate Vic and his attitude... never thought he was a great QB... and I feel he is getting what he deserves... BUT, the flip side is that multiple drug / DUI offenders and guys who were associated with murder charges are still playing and getting paid millions in the NFL.

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People talk about how racism is involved or the crime isn't that serious, which is baloney. My take on it is that it's precisely since the NFL lets so many guys get away with so much, and looks so corrupt and ridiculous for it, that it has to jump on a scapegoat if the ball gets rolling. And that scapegoat better not be someone whose crime is doing steroids or fighting in nightclubs, because NFL players will do that regularly until the end of time. So if they go after one guy in particular for doing that, it will look absurd and hypocritical.

They can get away with making an example of a guy doing something probably few other guys are doing. But there's no way in hell they'll go after a guy doing the same thing a ton of their other players are doing every week. If they did that, they might as well empty their rosters.

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PS... I hate Vic and his attitude... never thought he was a great QB... and I feel he is getting what he deserves... BUT, the flip side is that multiple drug / DUI offenders and guys who were associated with murder charges are still playing and getting paid millions in the NFL.

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People talk about how racism is involved or the crime isn't that serious, which is baloney. My take on it is that it's precisely since the NFL lets so many guys get away with so much, and looks so corrupt and ridiculous for it, that it has to jump on a scapegoat if the ball gets rolling. And that scapegoat better not be someone whose crime is doing steroids or fighting in nightclubs, because NFL players will do that regularly until the end of time. So if they go after one guy in particular for doing that, it will look absurd and hypocritical.

They can get away with making an example of a guy doing something probably few other guys are doing. But there's no way in hell they'll go after a guy doing the same thing a ton of their other players are doing every week. If they did that, they might as well empty their rosters.

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This is a really really good point.