I cannot win on pokerstars. Reasons ??

[sethypooh21]

I have one more reason that we might "defend a poker site": we are trying to help you (and by 'you' I want to generalize to the whole "ZOMG RIGGED" crowd.) You, almost without exception, are terrible at poker. Yet you are convinced otherwise. What is the crutch that let's you believe in your non-existent skills so? Why the fact that you're the best player in the history of the world, so no losses could be your fault. This is the mentality of a loser. And for some reason, our of an abundance of empathy and human decency, we don't want you to be that much of a loser. So we try to help. But you don't listen, so we shift to mockery, shake our heads, and proceed to take every dollar you put back in play. Gleefully.

[T Kiriakopoulos]

1.) You make money having to pay 5% rake or less?
2.) If in the 95% case, they are indeed cheating, they are not thousands of people involved. Only very advanced programmers and very superior managemet. In could be less than 300 people in all casinos. They have no reason to speak, as they are winning tooo much.
3.) Go to the police? Lol. As you know, internet gambling is half-illigal in all countries. And procecute them where? In Costa Rica, The Isle of man, or Malta?
4.) It is exteremelly complicated to proove cheating even if these stats were recorded, for reeasons I explain in the casinomeister thread. That makes things easier for cheating, wheras in blackjack is simple to proove cheating, and I have recorded stats that proove cheating in blackjack. So what? How can these stats seriously harm the casinos? Simply by posting them into forums? (which I will)No, I have not recorded any poker stats besides my mind. But I know that preflop AA, KK, AK, AQ, etc, and having top pair at the flop with high kicker, and threes of a kind, flushes etc with a strong kicker, have a huge expected value (taking in acount the 5% rake), even when played by a bad player, as you say I am. If they produce big losses after some hundreds of hands played, then this is an enough statistical evidence. The higher the expected value, the less the number of hands needed for statistical evidence.

[Josem]

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1.) You make money having to pay 5% rake or less?

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Yes. Hundreds of posters and participants on these forums here at twoplustwo.com are long-term winners at online poker.

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2.) If in the 95% case, they are indeed cheating, they are not thousands of people involved. Only very advanced programmers and very superior managemet. In could be less than 300 people in all casinos. They have no reason to speak, as they are winning tooo much.

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Plus the people employed by the auditors, plus their partners, plus....

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3.) Go to the police? Lol. As you know, internet gambling is half-illigal in all countries. And procecute them where? In Costa Rica, The Isle of man, or Malta?

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PartyPoker is a listed company on the London stock exchange. If you believe their directors are committing a widespread international fraud, you should report it to the English police.

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4.) It is exteremelly complicated to proove cheating even if these stats were recorded, for reeasons I explain in the casinomeister thread.

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But you claim to have that proof! Show it!

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That makes things easier for cheating, wheras in blackjack is simple to proove cheating, and I have recorded stats that proove cheating in blackjack. So what? How can these stats seriously harm the casinos? Simply by posting them into forums?

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Yes. You may not have realised this, but you have accidentally stumbled across the leing online poker forum in the world. The players who play here represent literally millions of dollars in income for online poker operators.


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(which I will)

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woo woo! woo woo!

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No, I have not recorded any poker stats besides my mind.

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lol.

never expected this coming.

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But I know that preflop AA, KK, AK, AQ, etc, and having top pair at the flop with high kicker, and threes of a kind, flushes etc with a strong kicker, have a huge expected value (taking in acount the 5% rake), even when played by a bad player, as you say I am. If they produce big losses after some hundreds of hands played, then this is an enough statistical evidence. The higher the expected value, the less the number of hands needed for statistical evidence.

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lol.

you serious? you had us all excited when you were going to post your evidence... and it has now just a wisp blown away by the slightest breeze of scrutiny.

[Bobo Fett]

Not sure why you replied to my post but referred to someone else's...guess I'll have to wait a little longer for you to back up your accusations. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I have to say I'm quite disappointed. When I saw your first post, and then went to the Casinomeister site, I was looking forward to making a long reply. However, I can see now how pointless that would be.

You say that rigging could be done in a way that couldn't be shown statistically. Yes, I suppose that could be true, and if that's what you believe is happening, well then the conversation's over I guess. Of course you're claiming that your hands are not winning as often as they should...if that was true, then SOMEONE should be able to offer up proof. You say you have no stats, so is this all just what you perceive? Did you at least take notes so you could analyse your findings, or is this all off the top of your head?

Also, you seem to think no one makes money playing poker. You are aware this forum is FULL of people who make money from online poker, including many for who this is their sole source of income? How does this fit into your poker world view?

Oh, and please to be providing the proof that we are all affiliates and the quotes I asked for earlier.

[frommagio]

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Not sure why you replied to my post but referred to someone else's...guess I'll have to wait a little longer for you to back up your accusations. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I have to say I'm quite disappointed. When I say your first post, and then went to the Casinomeister site, I was looking forward to making a long reply. However, I can see now how pointless that would be.

You say that rigging could be done in a way that couldn't be shown statistically. Yes, I suppose that could be true, and if that's what you believe is happening, well then the conversation's over I guess. Of course you're claiming that your hands are not winning as often as they should...if that was true, then SOMEONE should be able to offer up proof. You say you have no stats, so is this all just what you perceive? Did you at least take notes so you could analyse your findings, or is this all off the top of your head?

Also, you seem to think no one makes money playing poker. You are aware this foum is FULL of people who make money from online poker, including many for who this is their sold source of income? How does this fit into your poker world view?

Oh, and please to be providing the proof that we are all affiliates and the quotes I asked for earlier.

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Well, I am always open minded for the 5% being true.

[Josem]

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You say that rigging could be done in a way that couldn't be shown statistically. Yes, I suppose that could be true, and if that's what you believe is happening, well then the conversation's over I guess. Of course you're claiming that your hands are not winning as often as they should...if that was true, then SOMEONE should be able to offer up proof. You say you have no stats, so is this all just what you perceive? Did you at least take notes so you could analyse your findings, or is this all off the top of your head?

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Just to reinforce this point, if you read through the thread, sciolist addresses this issue perfectly.

For the muppets to claim that online poker is rigged, as they "know" it is, they have to simultaneously claim that it is uncheckable statistically.

In other words, they are claiming that their own brains capacity to recognise these patterns in a random distribution over 500,000 hands is better than humanity's ability to statistically analyse those hands using computers and statistics.

Do they have any idea how stupid that idea is?

[Bobo Fett]

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Do they have any idea how stupid that idea is?

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I'll assume that was a rhetorical question. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Josem]

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Do they have any idea how stupid that idea is?

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I'll assume that was a rhetorical question. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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well, it's rhetorical to you or to i, because it is such a self-evident point. like, how anyone can possibly suggest that they're able to do better statistical analysis in their head over a sample of 500,000 (or more!) hands is beyond me.

but there are some people who are apparently arguing that very point.

[Sciolist]

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Your own hunger for money and lack of ethics is not something that you have a right to project on other people. Many people on earth are not in the habit of stealing money and fraudulently ripping people off (as you suggest) simply because it is possible.

It's about time that people who accuse others of fraud, theft, and other outright illegal activities started providing some evidence to launch such outrageous accusations or stopped making them.

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Don't fool yourself, these sites are running a business and not a ethics convention. Business men look to maximize profits and are geared to do that. Obviously I don't know whats going on behind the scenes at these sites but I also don't know why you're so adamant in their defense. Can you not see a reason they would do this when there is no risk involved? You want proof...ok let me contact the guy who wrote the rng and see if he has anything to say, I'll get back to you with his answer.

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This statement is obviously false. PokerStars say there are no house players. If there were, and they came forward, PokerStars have just damaged their reputation. Also, yeh, this is a pretty rude statement.

Oh, and it wasn't one guy who wrote the RNG for PokerStars. And they still work here, so far as I know. Tell me one piece of information about this guy "you know". Nationality perhaps, country they work in?

[Sciolist]

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You can read my thread in casinomeister in which I provide argumentation claiming that pokerooms are rigged: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/poke...oms-rigged.html


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I'm not sure why you'd post that thread. All the replies say "you're so clearly wrong", just like they are here.