Is a flop bet mandated here?

bronxbomber · #1 03-08-2006, 07:42 PM

In retrospect, I wish I had bet the flop (overcards and inside flush draw), but with that many callers preflop, I figured there was a high chance for a check-raise slowplay or turn-card danger from someone. Any thoughts? Is a flop bet mandated?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds.

River: (7.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

DQuinlan · #2 03-08-2006, 08:13 PM

:grunch:

Any reads?

Preflop raise is good.

Definitely need a flop bet here. Hand plays out differently after that.

topspin · #3 03-08-2006, 08:21 PM

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:grunch:

Any reads?

Preflop raise is good.

Definitely need a flop bet here. Hand plays out differently after that.

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I disagree. The field is too large here for a flop bet with unimproved overcards; you're unlikely to be best, and you're just charging yourself to see the turn. Check is good.

I likely check the turn here too, although if you're going to bet, doing it when the board pairs the turn is a good spot.

OziBattler · #4 03-08-2006, 08:26 PM

bet the flop. as DQ said, it plays different from there. But be clear about why you want bet here. You likely wont fold out everyone but can clean up some outs. you also have backdoor flush and straight draws (note that only straight draw is to the nuts - assuming its not a spade)

I dont really like the turnbet against 4 players since you lose your backdoors and because you didnt bet the flop your bet says "I have overs" (of course we are assuming villians are paying attention [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]). It should also be somewhat obvious to villians that the 4 wasnt likely to much help to you given your preflop raise.

yes, check behind that river

raytownloc · #5 03-08-2006, 08:33 PM

Id say yes. Thats what having position and raising preflop are all about... at least thin the field some, and its possible that you still have the best hand

MAceJas · #6 03-08-2006, 09:08 PM

-= Grunch =

I think you definitely bet the flop, you're acting last and everyone hit blanks, they're checking to you. With this flop, minimal chance of a slow play. 11 bets in the pot, 6 good outs to TP, and a BDFD.

I think it's a definite bet.

Your biggest concern is a small pair... 88..22, a bet at after the flop may push him out.

crovax4444 · #7 03-08-2006, 09:09 PM

Don't forget, you had a backdoor straight draw as well. This is the only factor I am using to lean towards a flop bet. Without it, I wouldn't have minded playing it with a flop bet.

Crovax

dctufts · #8 03-08-2006, 09:17 PM

errr... what is an "inside flush draw"? do you mean backdoor?

cold_cash · #9 03-08-2006, 09:20 PM

I wouldn't.

SoftcoreRevolt · #10 03-08-2006, 09:21 PM

The flop is an absolute check. The flop is rather coordinated, and doesn't give you a ton of promising outs. We've gotta discount our TP outs for the flush and reverse domination, our backdoor Flush is only to the 3rd nut flush, and with a one card flush and 4 others in this is not very strong. Our Back Door Straight draw is a two gapper and is worth very little.

If we had a gutshot draw I bet this, but not here.

Turn bet is eh.. the pairing made the board less likely to hit anyone, but puts another draw out there.