NL25 - SPR in action?

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Then when I check the turn he could see the river for free...just seems like I'm letting him off too easy.

[/ QUOTE ]If he checks behind on the turn, you can value bet the river. Free cards are not going to be too big a deal on this dry flop. And yeah, you don't get his entire stack there, but you are still getting value. Just because you are committed doesn't mean that he is.

FWIW, I probably call the flop and then crai the turn, just because at that point all the chips are committed and he'll stack off there with a baby ace. My main concern is on the flop, where a c/r by you will get rid of most of his bluffing hands, which are the hands that make AT profitable against him in the first place.

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It is fun how many different angles you can look at the same problem. What you are essentially doing is encouraging him to make a bigger mistake than you. You are winning the battle of mistakes and you are adjusting to players. Mmmmmm good poker.

Edit: I add this because sometimes it helps me to turn around and think about the macro while I am thinking about the micro. Metaphorically speaking it is a lot like an artists stepping back and looking at the painting. When you are in a hand sometimes it is easy to get wrapped up and not see the big picture.

[Sunny Mehta]

Hi DonkeyChip,

As mentioned by others in the thread, even if you do decide that you are committed, you really want to maximize your "picking off a bluff" equity against this type of player (aggressive, likes to bluff in position) in this type of situation (drawless board, no possible overcards).

It's not a cut and dried thing - you do have several different line options. The main point to take home is that in situations like this, you are trying to maximize based on villain's range and tendencies - in this case that means really trying to let him try and push you off the hand because he's aggressive and air probably makes up a good portion of his range (yes sometimes he'll have a worse or better hand that he's committed to, in which case it makes no difference, but that's why you want to maximize against his whole range). That could mean anything from check-calling all the way, to check-min-raising the flop and then checking the turn to make him think you're getting cute, to check-calling the flop and then donk-leading the turn, to check-calling the flop and turn and then donk-leading the river, etc.

-S

[DonkeyChip]

Thanks again for the responses.

OK...getting clearer now. Prior to reading the book my line would have been to let him bet the whole way (I might bet the river being oop)...thinking that if he has me beat he's probably getting all of it anyway and if he doesn't...let him bury himself. However, sometimes certain cards could come that might at least make me consider a bad fold. I would rarely if ever 'actively' stack off with AT there.

So taking this line was a bit foreign to me (and apparently...rightly so).

In any case, I bet half my stack on the turn...he shoved and I called. At this point I thought maybe he hit 2-pr or something...but he had A9 and had left the table before the chips were done sliding to my seat.

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Thanks again for the responses.

OK...getting clearer now. Prior to reading the book my line would have been to let him bet the whole way (I might bet the river being oop)...thinking that if he has me beat he's probably getting all of it anyway and if he doesn't...let him bury himself. However, sometimes certain cards could come that might at least make me consider a bad fold. I would rarely if ever 'actively' stack off with AT there.

So taking this line was a bit foreign to me (and apparently...rightly so).

In any case, I bet half my stack on the turn...he shoved and I called. At this point I thought maybe he hit 2-pr or something...but he had A9 and had left the table before the chips were done sliding to my seat.

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Awesome. In this particular hand it looks like you were bound to get his money in as long as you didn't fold. However, do you see how you could make more money against his range with different possible lines? That is the lesson to be learned here.

On a side note does anything feel better than winning a stack because you made a good play? I especially enjoy it when it deals with picking off a bluff. I think it feels way better than doing it by just flopping a monster.

[Landlord79]

Awesome thread guys!!!

[DonkeyChip]

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Yes, I see there were better lines. That's one reason I posted it. It just didn't feel right even though I won the pot (and yes, it was nice to double-through him...especially with a 'just-barely-better' hand. All his stealing...gone in one hand).

The book would still make this hand much easier to play...whichever line I took. Basically because I had decided I was going with it before most of the money went in, based on my SPR and his laggression. Looks like I got a little fps with my new, not yet fully-understood, tools.

Volume II plz. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[dapigeoni]

Sorry, newb question: what's SPR?

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Sorry, newb question: what's SPR?

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SPR = Stack to Pot Ratio

It is the size of the preflop pot, before any betting is done, divided into the size of the pot.

For example, if there is 100 bucks in the smallest stack and there was 10 bucks in the pot then the SPR is 10.



It is a newbie thing to a lot of us right now as the book has only been available for a few weeks. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The book I am referring to is Professional No-Limit Hold 'Em. I would suggest checking it out ASAP.

[CazicT]

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Sorry, newb question: what's SPR?

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SPR = Stack to Pot Ratio

It is the size of the preflop pot, before any betting is done, divided into the size of the smallest remaining stack .

For example, if there is 100 bucks in the smallest stack and there was 10 bucks in the pot then the SPR is 10.



It is a newbie thing to a lot of us right now as the book has only been available for a few weeks. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The book I am referring to is Professional No-Limit Hold 'Em. I would suggest checking it out ASAP.

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FYP

[dapigeoni]

Got it - thanks guys.

You'd think I'd know that, having played with Sunny in a home game before. lol