****OFFICIAL BONDS USED STEROIDS THREAD*********

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Poor Roger Maris lol

It will be a shame if Bonds takes the all time HR record...thats one ball as a fan...I'd throw back. Screw the money.

Bonds is cheat...just cause it wasn't enforced by the douche bags at MLB and the players union...its still cheating. See ZeeJustin.

And comparing greenies to roids is a joke. A little ritalin isn't going to help a guy like Brady Anderson start hitting 50 homers a season.

[tdarko]

deadsexe,

have you ever played a 140 game season using greenies and then tried to play without them? i am in no way comparing them with steroids b/c that isn't the point, the point is is that edges gained are attempted by EVERYONE in baseball. greenies are greatness just so you know.

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[mlagoo]

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comparing greenies to roids is a joke. A little ritalin isn't going to help a guy like Brady Anderson start hitting 50 homers a season.

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just wanted to agree with this.

i wish there was a way to positively know all of the players who have used steroids at any point during their career. it depresses me to think of how many records have been rewritten by players who gained an unfair physical advantage. this guy is going to move to second all time ahead of babe ruth. babe [censored] ruth. and he's a hack. that's just frustrating.

[rwperu34]

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If steroids were available to this magnitude fifty years ago, we'd have had the same problem with them with some of the most famous names in history.


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cmon Jack. cheaters cheat. a stand-up guy back then would not have used roids, just as stand-up guys now don't.

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My guess is, if we had a urine sample from all of the players that played during the 50's and 60's, a much higher % would test positive for steroids than you think.

Whoever said poor Roger Maris, he lost his homerun record to a guy that took steroids, I've got some news for you. It is was rumored at the time that Maris broke the record that he took steroids. It didn't get as much press because, much like in 1988 when Canseco was rumored to juice steroids was not a hot button issue.

By your method, how on earth would you know who is a stand up guy? You just think the guys from the 50's and 60's are more stand up because there wasn't as much media to vilify them. If anything, I'd say the player of today is much more "stand up" than the players of yesteryear simply because they have to be.

[Dynasty]

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Did you see images of Bonds from 1997, then 1999?


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Barry Bonds in 1997 (190 lbs)




In 2001 (228 lbs)

[rwperu34]

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If we want to know who did steroids wait 10-15 years and see who is still alive.

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OMG Kirby Puckett did Roids.

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I asked a doctor friend if 'roids was a possible cause of death for Kirby Puckett. He said it was possible, including contributing to glaucoma, although Puckett had enough problems to cause this without juice. His speculation is Puckett natuarally had high blood pressure and just didn't take care of himself. Even when he played, he was too big. Then after he retired, he just let his body go way too far, raising his blood pressure too high to live. It's also likely he had diabetes, which shortens a lifespan considerably in itself.

To recap, is steroids a possible cause of death for Kirby Puckett? Yes. Is it likley that he had other health problems that are far more likley to have caused his death? Yes. Should we vilify Puckett as a 'roider? No.

[rwperu34]

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ty tdarko.

This is a problem with mlb, athletics, society, and our current drug laws.

this is an nfl problem too, but nobody cares.

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Finally, a voice of reason. It's actually comical that MLB is taking all this heat for 'roids when the problem is about 10 times as severe in the NFL. And do you know where it's even worse? D-1 college football. And just as bad as anywhere? At the top high school football programs. Yet MLB, and specifically Barry Bonds, are going to take all of this heat? What a joke that congress thingy was. They should be focusing their efforts on the people who can be helped in masses. Namely high school and college athletes.

[tdarko]

mlagoo,

its all relative, someone who dominated an era in say the 50's may have not done steroids but what did he do to gain that edge to put him above the competition?

see, steroids is just basically apart of the evolution of what has happened for so many years. players way back when did what they did to gain a small statistical edge and guys today take steroids (they took steroids 40 years ago too) to have a SMALL not LARGE statistical edge.

so you can't compare the numbers of a steroid user to the numbers of an assumed non-steroid user, you simply do not have the data to make any correct judgements as to what is correct. everything you can come up with is assumed.

~td

[rwperu34]

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Did you see images of Bonds from 1997, then 1999?


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Barry Bonds in 1997 (190 lbs)




In 2001 (228 lbs)



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Bonds listed at 6'1" 215 lbs in 1993. If he only weighed 228 during all of this, there would be nothing suspicous. The problem is, by 2004 he probably weighed closer to 260 than 230. For all this talk of all the weight he's lost coming into this season, he still looks like he weighs at least 245 right now. I saw him with a bunch of guys from team USA, and the only two people who were bigger than him were Ken Griffey Sr. (close) and Rick Sutcliffe (not close).

[Dominic]

I'm shocked! SHOCKED, I say!