Playing KK vs. a limp-reraiser

Toonces · #1 03-07-2006, 11:49 AM

UTG is the table maniac, but I hadn't seen him limp-reraise yet. MP2 is young and seems like a relatively good player. Game is 30/60 at Resorts, but as usual, the game plays like 3/6 online at best.

Hero has K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in SB.

UTG calls. UTG+1 calls. 1 fold. MP1 calls. MP2 calls. 3 folds. Hero in SB raises. UTG 3-bets. UTG+1 folds. MP1 calls. MP2 calls. Hero Caps. UTG, MP1, and MP2 call.

Flop is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (18.5 SB)

Hero Bets. UTG calls. MP1 calls. MP2 folds.

Turn is 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10.75 BB)

Hero checks. UTG checks. MP1 bets. Hero raises. UTG folds. MP1 folds.

River is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (14.75 BB)

Hero bets. MP1 raises. Hero calls.

What do you think?

TheHip41 · #2 03-07-2006, 12:02 PM

I'd just bet the turn. No one has shown any interest on the flop, and this could easily get checked around, and you lose value from anyone that wants to call with 2-6 outs.

KinkyKid · #3 03-07-2006, 12:08 PM

I'd just bet out on the turn. Why give it a chance to be checked around? Also, I'd edit the post to make MP1 call on the turn instead of folding.

Toonces · #4 03-07-2006, 01:05 PM

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Also, I'd edit the post to make MP1 call on the turn instead of folding.

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Strange... I don't have the edit button showing up on my screen. But you're right...that is a mistake.

Zach6668 · #5 03-07-2006, 03:00 PM

Bet/call the turn.

Bet the river, or c/c if you were raised on the turn.

- Zach

W. Deranged · #6 03-07-2006, 03:25 PM

Dear god man, checking this turn is suicide...

Who is going to bet your hand for you? The answer is: you don't know. You are giving free cards to As and gutshots which are worth a ton in this gigantic pot.

Fat Nicky · #7 03-07-2006, 03:28 PM

i would like to hear your reasoning for checking the turn.

DespotInExile · #8 03-07-2006, 03:38 PM

I would have bet the turn. You have no way to protect your hand here other than to lead into the likely raiser, and hope he pops it. Checking the turn, while it happened to give the opportunity to checkraise/protect, was not something you could have anticipated beforehand.

Calling the river raise is fine, although I think you should have check-called the river. If you are ahead, you want to give the aggressor the chance to bluff the river on a busted draw. If you are behind to a boat/trips, betting out this river card will only get you raised.

W. Deranged · #9 03-07-2006, 03:39 PM

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Calling the river raise is fine, although I think you should have check-called the river. If you are ahead, you want to give the aggressor the chance to bluff the river on a busted draw. If you are behind to a boat/trips, betting out this river card will only get you raised.

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This is very flawed advice. Betting the river is correct and it's not even close. You are leaving out the scenario which is far and away most likely, which is that you bet and your opponent calls with an inferior hand.

DespotInExile · #10 03-07-2006, 03:45 PM

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Calling the river raise is fine, although I think you should have check-called the river. If you are ahead, you want to give the aggressor the chance to bluff the river on a busted draw. If you are behind to a boat/trips, betting out this river card will only get you raised.

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This is very flawed advice. Betting the river is correct and it's not even close. You are leaving out the scenario which is far and away most likely, which is that you bet and your opponent calls with an inferior hand.

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I dont think this is right, Will. Action on the prior streets makes it unlikely to me that the bet on turn was from a top-pair. I think you can rule out overpairs because this player did not raise preflop. My hand reading would say the villain has a boat, trip 5s, or a flush draw. My answer depends in part on the fact that this was a 30/60 live game. Say what you want, but players at this limit are not all monkeys. They are capable of reading hands, and live players in particular are capable of laying down. A hand like A7 might well fold the river, giving the bet -EV.