4/180 ITM JTs against UTG raise from weak-tight villain

Yorkshire Pud · #1 08-01-2007, 09:50 PM

Villain is from my earlier table and liked to raise UTG and in EP but seemed to fold to raises. We're down to 15 players and there are 3 stacks under 4k. He's pretty weak tight but will raise in EP with AT+, 77+ but post flop is always in check/fold mode.

Bad play on my part?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t22408)
BB (t14161)
UTG (t14232)
UTG+1 (t35548)
MP1 (t8540)
Hero (t10429)
CO (t21280)
Button (t10564)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t2400, 2 folds, Hero raises to t10354, 4 folds, UTG calls t7954.

Baby Mantis · #2 08-01-2007, 09:57 PM

I personally would prefer to just call and see the flop, I don't like to raise with suited connectors. I prefer to reraise with JJ+, and AK, maybe 10 10 if I have a good read.

Of course I am just a novice so I would appreciate comments on my idea as well, thx.

Yorkshire Pud · #3 08-01-2007, 10:02 PM

I considered calling here but I'd seen villain raise in EP then fold to a 3-bet a few times. Also with the 3 micro stacks this pot is for a top 4 place in the current standings and a guarenteed FT.

If I'd have flat called do you get it in on that flop? I push that flop everytime, would I be right in that?

hamnegger · #4 08-01-2007, 10:22 PM

i think the play is very bad here is why.

1. you said he is weak tight on the flop. you have position youll see if he bets flop and by board whether you have a hand or can "steal" the pot from him if he checks.

2. you have negated your positional advantage and gotten all in w clearly inferior cards. thats not a good combo.i do not see him folding enough or you winning enough to be +ev play

Dunkman · #5 08-01-2007, 10:34 PM

First, I don't like calling off 25% of our stack with JTs here, I don't care what villain it's against.

Second, your stack is pretty short and looks desperate to make a move. Also, if he has any decent volume in 4/180s, he knows that people go insane once the money bubble bursts, and even though he's weak he may very well adjust his calling requirements. I find I have very little FE on shoves until we get down to 10 people or so, although it's a great time to pick up a hand since you're like guaranteed action. Although he folded to 3bets in the past, most likely those were against people with some chips behind. I mean I know he's crippled if he loses this hand, but a 13 BB 3bet AI isn't exactly a pillar of strength, he can profitably call with most of his EP raising range. Long story short, I think it's great that you were observant and got a solid read on villain, and this projects very well for your future success in poker. However, on this particular hand, I just don't think your attempt to take advantage of his weak tendencies is believable. If he called you with AA then your play may have been great and you were just really unlucky, if he called you with AT then your read was off somehow.

black666 · #6 08-02-2007, 07:57 AM

I would fold PF.

Villain will probably call you with his whole raising range or close to it, and you are crushed by AT+, 77+. There are also 4 players left to act which makes this play even worse. If I were in the blinds and villain raised it a couple of times I would make a stand.
If you were OOP, you could try a call and a stop-and-go play .. but you aren't, so calling is also bad. This leaves only a fold.