200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

[SABR42]

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ugh. Only hands i can see villain having beat us is AcKc or TT.

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Really?

I can see him having a ton of hands that hit that river:

TT, T9, 76, QJ (kind of a loose call on the flop, but we're pretty deep), stuff like A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], etc...

[crunny]

oops, i deleted my post, it was wrong.

[tarheeljks]

the more i look at this the more i want to fold.

edit: results

[crunny]

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ugh. Only hands i can see villain having beat us is AcKc or TT.

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Really?

I can see him having a ton of hands that hit that river:

TT, T9, 76, QJ (kind of a loose call on the flop, but we're pretty deep), stuff like A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], etc...

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You are right of course. The fact that we are deep means he can have a much wider range. Given that FD and SD's now complete on the river u should probably fold.

[twoblacknines]

My initial reaction in the moment would be to say [censored] it and talk myself into a call but most villains rarely bluff raise river. I am almost positive you are beat and think a fold is good...I find myself calling way to much in these kinda spots and they always have something. It is a huge leak in my game.

If you had lots of history with villain and he was aggro then I could see calling if he knew you would throw out a blocking bet and felt he could push you off it, but it really looks like a flush here.

I think the check call on turn is good but I think betting the turn may be even better. I think its safe to fold to a raise if you lead out strong on the turn.

[tarheeljks]

i can't take it anymore results please?

[GrandMelon]

Hand is perfect if you fold river.

[mce86]

I cant see a vulnerable hand like T9 checking the turn. He might check the river, but he's not going to give a free card to a 3-better who just checked. If he had clubs, wouldnt he semi-bluff here? I would think the most likely hands would be set, or overpair. Obviously, your hand is good, he might also be semi-bluffing the scare card in that if you have KK or AA you fold, but if you dont that QQ or JJ is the best hand here. I think its close enough to call though getting 3-1!!! Anyone think were ALWAYS behind here?
Then again, he could suck and just be playing ABC, hit his hand and be value betting it. I'd call and take the loss.

[SABR42]

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i can't take it anymore results please?

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I folded.

Villain seemed kinda passive, and I didn't have a good enough reason to think that he would bluff-raise me here.

[vizer02]

I would fold since you have no reads. I see your river bet as a value bet/blocking bet, therefore when it's raised I think you need to get away from this hand.