100-200 Live: Thin River Value Bet?

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

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my standard would prob be to bet 20kish

what are thoughts on betting something gay like 10k and snap calling a shove?

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the 10k and calling a shove idea is capitalizing on the same human instinct that involves having sex in an elevator with a girl you just met in the elevator or the one that drives you to take your umbrella and smack the back of a new york yellow cabbie that pisses the [censored] out of you.

against the right guy in the right mindset, who acts impulsively and is checking his blackburry, drowning redbulls, and pulsating in his neck--go for it baby. i recommend starting in LA against an asian guy or against a random guy with a 50k watch on in workout clothes.

against the calculated, more articulate, calm internet pro who likely has seen this type of [censored] more times than you've watched porn in your life, bet 20k.

then when he shoves say [censored] and fold

[Go_Blue88]

It seems really unlikely that he has a hand that beats you given how he played this.

I'm not sure why your line looks bluffy (as someone mentioned). Dunno, it seems to me that if you bet that river you're repping a bunch of scary stuff.

[jlocdog]

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my standard would prob be to bet 20kish

what are thoughts on betting something gay like 10k and snap calling a shove?

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the 10k and calling a shove idea is capitalizing on the same human instinct that involves having sex in an elevator with a girl you just met in the elevator or the one that drives you to take your umbrella and smack the back of a new york yellow cabbie that pisses the [censored] out of you.

against the right guy in the right mindset, who acts impulsively and is checking his blackburry, drowning redbulls, and pulsating in his neck--go for it baby. i recommend starting in LA against an asian guy or against a random guy with a 50k watch on in workout clothes.

against the calculated, more articulate, calm internet pro who likely has seen this type of [censored] more times than you've watched porn in your life, bet 20k.

then when he shoves say [censored] and fold

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Poetry....

[FatalError]

strassa has also been eating those weed brownies aparently

[Ansky]

strassssssssss

[AcTiOnJaCsOn]

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I'd bet about 20k. If he pushed I'd be very tempted to call. QQ-TT seem very likely and if villain is who I think he is he's capable of some crazy stuff (and very good).

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x2then?

[JooWish622]

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The way you guys were battling, i was surprised you didn't bet the river. Your line would look extremely bluffy. Against most players I think a check is standard unless you don't won't to reveal your hand

I think I made the "idiot" heads up comment, I did laugh though

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Nah, I'm pretty sure the guy who said it was sitting between me and villain. If it was, no biggie, we all say stupid stuff live from time to time (not that that was particularly dumb, I was just referring to the generic live comments that so annoy us online players). Just too much time sitting in one place I guess.

And yeah, I really wanted to bet (you heard me call myself a [censored] before checking) but I had a couple reasons I want to see if anybody comes up with.

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what did he have??? pair between K and the 5 i assume?

[JooWish622]

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The way you guys were battling, i was surprised you didn't bet the river. Your line would look extremely bluffy. Against most players I think a check is standard unless you don't won't to reveal your hand

I think I made the "idiot" heads up comment, I did laugh though

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Nah, I'm pretty sure the guy who said it was sitting between me and villain. If it was, no biggie, we all say stupid stuff live from time to time (not that that was particularly dumb, I was just referring to the generic live comments that so annoy us online players). Just too much time sitting in one place I guess.

And yeah, I really wanted to bet (you heard me call myself a [censored] before checking) but I had a couple reasons I want to see if anybody comes up with.

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what did he have??? pair between K and the 5 i assume?

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and if we're villain, do we sometimes call with a hand like 65? I mean, if we're calling with TT here, do we also call with 65 as well??

-Joo

[RichGangi]

Bet ~20k for sure. Villain may call with many worse hands imo.

[JooWish622]

I'm reading your post on whether or not to be A2. If you could stream of consciousness answer me, what factors do you think should come into play when the Villain decides to call you with like 34 or 77. Besides "flow" (past bluffs, frequencies) anything else that comes to mind? Board development? If a spade hits, should the Villain be more or less inclined to call (because obv you would bluff sometimes with like 55 if a spade hits).

anyway, here is my post that wrote:

What factors should come into play when making thin river calls. Anything more than just Opp frequency of doing so. Obv board development on the turn and river is important. I think when the turn and river come T A, we should be more likely to call than if it was A T. What about when draw cards on the river hit? In certain posts, I see people say "if a third spade comes, then you should be more likely to check-call the river bet". I guess if we put him on a hand that isnt a draw... then we should be more likely to call off.


Anyway, FF was talking about a hand in which he debates thinly betting the river with A2 on a board that reads:

K 3 2 T A , T on the turn, A on the river.

Villain is OOP and bets the flop of K32. FF floats the flop with A2 by calling an 8k bet, and when checked to bets 9k on the T turn, and then is checked to on the A river.

His opponant, after calling FF turn bet, is on a hand range that probably includes a King, an A, aces up, 66-QQ, maybe 34s, 45, 56 sometimes?, and spades.

My question: If we are the Villain, what factors should come in before making calls with the mid pairs, or even a 3. should we even consider making a call with a 3 here? I'm asking because I seem to be wrong often (obv being wrong often is part of thin value calling), but I want to make sure I'm not overdoing it. I seem to sometimes make these calls without thinking and I think I may be overdoing it.


So, What are all the factors that should come into play here? Anything else besides the flow, agg of opponant? Board development? Draw cards hitting or not hitting?




If you have the time to answer, please do. I am very interested to hear your thoughts. I feel like I call way too much here and I feel so stationey for doing so.