live 67s Button

[Aces McGee]

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The argument can be made "well if you are going to to raise 78s then why not 67s?" Well then what about 56s, 45s etc etc. 78s is just where I have my line currently.

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With five limpers to you already, 54s isn't much different than 87s.

-McGee

[Frond]

Then why not 34s or 23s

[Frond]

Gotta go now, but I think the post flop decisions here in this hand may be more crucial than pre flop.

[Aces McGee]

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Then why not 34s or 23s

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They make fewer straights.

-McGee

[bernie]

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With my gut draw I may not have been getting the 10.5:1 odds to draw

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I'd put your gut draw at about 14-1 since one of your outs could easily be tainted. B-door draw is weak so I'd put that as a partial out. The problem is the bettors position as you won't really be able to maximize if you hit. You'll really only be able to put a protection raise in which cuts your implied odds.

Thin peel. Probably about neutral. But in hindsight, how much were you really expecting to get on this draw implied-wise?

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[bernie]

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first with all these limpers on the button i think you have an easy pf raise, both for value and based on your position.


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No high card value makes this an easy limp. What hands wouldn't you raise here? Unless you really think a pair of 7s or 6s, with a crap kick at that, might hold up. This hand is good to see the flop cheaply.

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[Mook]

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Then why not 34s or 23s

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Increased straight potential. 32s can make only two straights with both cards. Anything 54s and above can make four. Doesn't seem like a big difference, but you're playing these hands for their big-hand, big-pot potential, so it's significant.

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Gotta go now, but I think the post flop decisions here in this hand may be more crucial than pre flop.

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Normally I'd agree, but in this case I think OP might have taken down an enormous pot if he'd raised PF here.

(1) He's no longer representing small cards, so he's not as likely to scare everyone out when the straight hits on the turn.
(2) He ties people to the (now larger) pot on the turn - with an extra $24 in there his raise is much more likely to get a caller, which then is more likely to prompt an overcall, etc., etc. Once they've called the turn at least one is gonna call the river, and if your hand is still best (which is very likely), all of a sudden you're now scooping not a 6 BB pot but a 12-13 BB pot.

As it stands, IMO you played it right - sucks that everyone abandoned ship, but you'd be kicking yourself if you let two small diamonds in cheap to beat you.

Mook

[BigBadBabar]

eight limpers to me, i'm on the button, i raise any two cards for value because i have position right? ugh cmon with this again guys

[bernie]

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eight limpers to me, i'm on the button, i raise any two cards for value because i have position right? ugh cmon with this again guys

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LOL

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[Harv72b]

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eight limpers to me, i'm on the button, i raise any two cards for value because i have position right? ugh cmon with this again guys

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I'd ask to be moved to a 10-seat table. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]