5/10 JJ: I know I'm beating the bettor but DO I STILL FOLD?

SHnewbie · #1 03-03-2006, 10:39 PM

Okay, this hand DEFINITELY needs some reads and stats.

MP is something like 43/4/1.75 but he has donked me everytime when a scare card hits without any regard for his own hand. He has done it in protected pots, HU pots, whatever. Assume, for this hand, that this player does NOT have us beat.

BB: 20/13/3.75
UTG: 59/11/1.0

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero...

silencio · #2 03-03-2006, 11:27 PM

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Okay, this hand DEFINITELY needs some reads and stats.

MP is something like 43/4/1.75 but he has donked me everytime when a scare card hits without any regard for his own hand. He has done it in protected pots, HU pots, whatever. Assume, for this hand, that this player does NOT have us beat.

BB: 20/13/3.75
UTG: 59/11/1.0

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero...

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This hand really sucks since you are probably going to get raised by BB even if you call. I would fold since the play of the hand suggests that most of your extra outs are in the hands of your opponents and the fact that you can hit a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or a T and still lose. You basically have one clean out - T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

shaodeee · #3 03-03-2006, 11:34 PM

It's tough but I think I would still have to call here. You might still have the best hand and you still have outs.

shaddix · #4 03-03-2006, 11:44 PM

i think i would call the flop, the way you played it, i would call the turn, when it gets raised behind me, i will call and fold the river ui

ImsaKidd · #5 03-03-2006, 11:58 PM

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This hand really sucks since you are probably going to get raised by BB even if you call. I would fold since the play of the hand suggests that most of your extra outs are in the hands of your opponents and the fact that you can hit a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or a T and still lose. You basically have one clean out - T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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How is the T hearts the only clean out? I would count all tens as full outs and the T hearts as a partial out. Hearts MAY be good for you as well.

I think you misread which cards were hearts, thinking the T hearts makes a straight flush?

Nick C · #6 03-03-2006, 11:59 PM

Wow. Tough spot.

I guess maybe I peel and see what happens behind me?

Nah, that was just a first thought. I think I just give it up.

Man, what an annoying donkbet, especially if it probably means nothing.

Nick C · #7 03-04-2006, 12:06 AM

It's really troublesome that you have two flop cold-callers to act behind you.

Stack · #8 03-04-2006, 12:34 AM

I raise the turn and that the last $ that I'll put in.

Wormie · #9 03-04-2006, 02:35 PM

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I raise the turn and that the last $ that I'll put in.

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Fold to 3-bet?

jba · #10 03-04-2006, 02:51 PM

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I raise the turn and that the last $ that I'll put in.

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it's this or folding. i really can't decide. BB is the troublesome one, but it's possible you could move him off 2pr with a raise.