88 with a [censored] image ME

[Isura]

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ianisakson what about 77?

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definite shove imo. I think this is a call, but it does suck. I think a flop check is good despite our image. Because we still probably won't get action from worst hands or bluffs in this spot.

[ianisakson]

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ianisakson what about 77?

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I count 77 as one of the hands we're "flipping" against because he's got extra outs. Why would he check-raise small with 77, that seems like one where i'm check-raising big.

[THEOSU]

shaun,

if you have an awful image, why not limp behind with 88? because your image sucks, you're still likely to win a big pot if you flop goot, but you don't have pressure to stick it in in questionable spots because the pot's gotten all big and stuff.

[8Adam8]

I play it the same but fold to the c/r

[shaundeeb]

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shaun,

if you have an awful image, why not limp behind with 88? because your image sucks, you're still likely to win a big pot if you flop goot, but you don't have pressure to stick it in in questionable spots because the pot's gotten all big and stuff.

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because on a lot of boards I can get 2 streets of value with 88 UI

[8Adam8]

Calling kind of sucks because there are no good turn cards and hes firing another barrel with like 99% of his range on like any turncard.

Shoving kind of sucks because it makes our hand a bluff as we are almost never getting value out of a worse hand by b/3b'ing this flop.

[mastr]

if our image is as awful as you say it is, we should call and be fine getting it in in the vast majority of turns.

[0evg0]

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Calling kind of sucks because there are no good turn cards and hes firing another barrel with like 99% of his range on like any turncard.

Shoving kind of sucks because it makes our hand a bluff as we are almost never getting value out of a worse hand by b/3b'ing this flop.

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Therefore, if both our options suck when he raises, and we know we're going to be raised A TON, why would we walk into a play with negative expectation?

[shaundeeb]

evg I think the raise amount and the raise position are what matters if the limper c/r me to 3k I am shoving 100% of the time for value.

[stevepa]

First instinct was call, shove over turn bet on 100% of turns (well maybe not a 3). I'm slowly talking myself into just folding to the checkraise though.