PS16- Terrible river card.

KyleH186 · #1 07-08-2007, 02:30 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP1 (t1495)
MP2 (t1220)
CO (t1895)
Button (t3535)
SB (t2400)
Hero (t1405)
UTG (t1550)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, CO calls t100, Button calls t100, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t400) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t400) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t300, CO folds, Button calls t300, SB folds.

River: (t1000) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t600, Hero ?

PokahPokah · #2 07-08-2007, 02:32 PM

i bet 250-300 on the flop to find where im at. i fold river straight and flush draws have been completed, what a sucky card to pop off [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] im upset by it lol

reedzhao · #3 07-08-2007, 02:36 PM

i call. i can't believe button wouldn't bet a flush draw with his stack on the flop. I think button will show up with QJ or JT a lot of the time.

KyleH186 · #4 07-08-2007, 02:38 PM

I think this hand is complicated by the river improving my hand to the point that he basically needs to have the straight or flush to beat me.

Kevin8423 · #5 07-08-2007, 02:59 PM

You really need to bet this flop.

KyleH186 · #6 07-08-2007, 03:22 PM

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You really need to bet this flop.

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Out of the blinds? My kicker is almost invalid against anyone limping with a K, so leading didn't seem right. I might have check-raised if the button had bet the flop though.

CheeseMoney · #7 07-08-2007, 04:07 PM

I'm fine with checking the flop.

ChipLeader · #8 07-08-2007, 04:25 PM

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What straight draws? You think he was limping AQ on button here, calling 300 with just a gutshot and 1 over on turn despite 2 flush draws? I mean, its possible, but i pay off that straight draw.

I also think you should probably have bet flop. Like you said, kicker is irrelevant so if you get raised at least you know where you're at now. Checking is fine too, its a good place to mix up your play but i prefer betting with so many people to follow.

As played, I think you call river. If you fold you have 1100 left, not terrible, but certainly not fun. The only hands that beat you here that he'd play in this manner are a flush and MAYYYYBE KJ. I pay off flush with such a high chance he woulda bet the flop and so many hands you can beat after showing weakness by making a flop check, turn bet, river check.

Pudge714 · #9 07-08-2007, 04:30 PM

Checking this flop is fine.
Checking this river is bad. Bet/fold the river.
As played call river and hope he has clubs.

ChipLeader · #10 07-08-2007, 04:53 PM

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Checking this river is bad. Bet/fold the river.

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Why is checking bad?
You bet, he raises, now what? How much to bet, 300 again minimum i assume, leaving you 800 behind on a fold.

You bet, he folds. Youve gained nothing.

You check, you induce a bluff when he missed or even a value bet from a likely worse two pair.

You check, he bets and has a hand that beats yours- depending on bet size, you may have lost slightly more or the same as if youd bet and he raised.

I dont like a bet into on the river, i think hero is likely ahead here and villian has worse two pair or missed flush often enough to make call profitable.