Taking a shot at the 200NL, I encounter... - Page 2

bilbo-san · #11 07-07-2007, 01:35 AM

I think there is some really bad advice in this thread.

a) given how aggressive the games are, folding here on the button is certainly not standard.

b) if you are folding the turn or the river in this hand, then, yeah, CLEARLY you should [censored] fold preflop because you can't play only AQQ flops FFS.

bilbo-san · #12 07-07-2007, 01:37 AM

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Value-bluff?

Turn is definitely a check...and I probably fold a blank river. You really beat nothing.

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Except QQ, KK, Ax, etc, you mean, right?

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And are any of those betting the river?

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What's your point? Tons of players will call the turn with all of them.

I was referring to "You beat nothing" comment, which, frankly, is just [censored] absurd. Dunno what games you play in but most 200nl players don't 3-bet just AK and AA.

loosbastard · #13 07-07-2007, 01:37 AM

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a) given how aggressive the games are, folding here on the button is certainly not standard.

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Agreed. PF seems super standard.

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b) if you are folding the turn or the river in this hand, then, yeah, CLEARLY you should [censored] fold preflop because you can't play only AQQ flops FFS.

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So you're really stacking off on this board against an unknown every time?

loosbastard · #14 07-07-2007, 01:39 AM

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I was referring to "You beat nothing" comment, which, frankly, is just [censored] absurd. Dunno what games you play in but most 200nl players don't 3-bet just AK and AA.

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My "you beat nothing" comment was referring to if/when villain bets the river after hero checks the turn.

bilbo-san · #15 07-07-2007, 01:40 AM

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a) given how aggressive the games are, folding here on the button is certainly not standard.

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Agreed. PF seems super standard.

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b) if you are folding the turn or the river in this hand, then, yeah, CLEARLY you should [censored] fold preflop because you can't play only AQQ flops FFS.

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So you're really stacking off on this board against an unknown every time?

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The way it went down, yeah. If calling pre-flop seem "super-standard" to you (folding is actually OK, imho, but certainly not mandatory as some here have suggested), then NOT stacking off here is really really really bad.

In other words, there is no way in hell you can make money calling preflop if you don't actually make a ton of money when you flop an ace. Paying 10bbs preflop to win a small pot postflop is really terrible poker.

loosbastard · #16 07-07-2007, 01:41 AM

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What's your point? Tons of players will call the turn with all of them.

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Are you nuts? Even the biggest droolers sometimes get away from QQ/KK after getting called on an A-J-x flop. Most 200NL players aren't great, but they aren't [censored] retarded.

loosbastard · #17 07-07-2007, 01:45 AM

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The way it went down, yeah. If calling pre-flop seem "super-standard" to you (folding is actually OK, imho, but certainly not mandatory as some here have suggested), then NOT stacking off here is really really really bad.

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Yeah it's "super-standard" for ME. I never said folding was terrible. I don't think I even mentioned PF.

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In other words, there is no way in hell you can make money calling preflop if you don't actually make a ton of money when you flop an ace. Paying 10bbs preflop to win a small pot postflop is really terrible poker.

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Well no [censored]...but this is a [censored] awful board for our hand and if you can't see why, I give up.

Worm75 · #18 07-07-2007, 01:46 AM

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Calling pre-flop is fine.

Check turn for pot control.

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ORLY???

You do realize that this is a 3-bet pot here right???? Pot control is pretty meaningless here, since we only have about a PSB left.....

Maybe you need to reread your copy of NLHTAP hmmmmmm.....

Hand is uber standard and played ok by hero

chsiao · #19 07-07-2007, 01:47 AM

As I was sliding the 'bet' bar over to the right after he checked, I was thinking "If he calls this I'm beat for sure." I then moved the mouse to the 'check' button, then I thought "what was the point of calling preflop with this hand?" Finally, I said [censored] it and bet. Of course SB snapcalled with JJ...

Back to the 100NL for awhile..Thank you for your input/help.

FishSticks · #20 07-07-2007, 01:47 AM

Bilbo -

I agree that if you want to fold this hand, you should just fold preflop. I do believe that folding preflop isn't that bad - villain is a total unknown and it's the 1st orbit. Even if he has a worse hand, you're generally going to win a smallish/medium pot or get stacked if you end up all in.