Full Tilt $24 6-handed deepstacked - AKo OOP against big stacks

[davidw]

(sorry I don't have the converted hand history, I had some problems with my histories and this one wasn't saved)


Situation: 680 players started, now down to 60 (in the money but nothing significant)

Blinds 600/1200, antes 150. Average stack ~45k. I have an aggressive image but have only showed down good hands at this table.

SB: I have 46k
BB: 35k
UTG: 65k - started with a bigger stack at this table but recently lost several pots.
MP: 15k
CO: 55k - was short stack but has recently doubled up and won several pots
B: 25k

PREFLOP:
UTG raises to 4500
MP folds, CO calls 4500.
Button folds.

I have A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and raise to 10500.
BB folds, UTG and CO both call.

The pot is now 34k and I have 35k left.

Now I have a problem -- I've created a big pot against the only two stacks at the table who can bust me and I'm out of position.

FLOP:
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What would you do here? Would you have done something differently preflop? What hands do you think the two opponents have?

[Kagiedog]

I think you pointed out your mistake yourself -- you made a bad raise pre-flop that left you out of position w/o the chips to make a move. I would have either smooth called or more likely raised all-in (depending on my reads, and the player tendencies). Incidentally, if you had a big stack I would have liked your pre-flop play.

Also, I check fold or push all-in on the flop (depending on the same factors).

[davidw]

I don't mind smooth-calling with AK in position, but I much prefer to reraise when OOP. It was a tricky raise because I was up against two opponents. I would've been happy taking it down preflop (looked like a squeeze play) but obviously that didn't happen because both opponents called.

Would you really consider pushing all in with that hand preflop? I felt I had too many chips to do that - it would've been a raise of 4x the size of the pot.

[Kagiedog]

I would push all-in pre-flop if I thought I had a pretty good chance of taking down the pot, or if I thought I might get a call from Ak or AJ. The problem with a 4x raise is that you don't have the stack to play this OOP if you are called.

[Pokerfarian]

With blinds + antes + raise + call + your "implied" call the pot is >15K, so shoving for 40K more is a not really a big overbet preflop, and since the other options suck since your OOP, it's surely the best play.
For me this spot would be trickier if CO didn't call, since then shoving might be too much of an overbet.

[potamophobia]

"UTG raises to 4500
MP folds, CO calls 4500.
Button folds.

I have AK and raise to 10500.
BB folds, UTG and CO both call."

You need to raise more than 10500. This is a raise that is asking to be called. They are probably not folding any hand worth raising for that amount.

As played, I think I am check/folding here. A push from you is expected. They know you could be pushing as light as AK. TT and JJ are definitely in the range of these players, as are many other pocket pairs.

[TWINUNO]

If you were going to make a raise i would have just pushed all in, any raise will commit you if you raise large enough and the raise you made is only going to build the pot, it will hardly ever fold any hands. I would just call preflop to see if you hit.

[hamnegger]

why are you miniraising? you have a draw. play the hand fast i would have shoved preflop. they want to call good for them. as played you have represented aces so go on ahead and donk off the rest of your chips and pray that the don't have qq jj or 10-10 or you are a goner.

[davidw]

That's a good point, I wouldn't have minraised in this spot so I think I recreated the hand wrong this morning.

How about with this situation instead? These number should be closer to what happened...

I have ~60k
UTG has 85k
CO has 70k

UTG raises to 4500, CO calls 4500, I raise to 14500. The rest of the hand is the same. They both call, now the pot is 46k and I have about the same behind.