BODOG STOLE MY WINNINGS!!!

[bwana devil]

why is everyone blaming OP?

the site should not have authorized funds if the acct number was not valid. they should have processed the w/drawal, then funded the bodog acct once approved. then no one would be disappointed and bodog doesnt have to worry about this type of scam. seems rather easy to avoid.

bwana

[doc_1982]

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If you win, call them to correct bank info and cashout.
If you lose, avoid their emails and never go back.


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Reminds me of the Party Cabin Downgrade Gamboooling Rush of '06!

[MOMOwheeler]

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why is everyone blaming OP?

the site should not have authorized funds if the acct number was not valid. they should have processed the w/drawal, then funded the bodog acct once approved. then no one would be disappointed and bodog doesnt have to worry about this type of scam. seems rather easy to avoid.

bwana

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Yep, and until then, it's OP's problem.

[UATrewqaz]

If this is Bodog's official policy then they need to put a huge disclaimer on the page where you enter the bank account # that says

"PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK YOUR ACCOUNT NUMBER! If you enter the wrong one we will keep any winnings"

etc.

unless they put this as a very clear disclaimer (not fine print) and make you enter your account number twice I think the OP should get his money.

obviously they want to avoid people doing this on purpose, but they need a big red disclaimer on the deposit screen.

[Benholio]

Bodog Terms & Conditions:

"13. If any eCash deposit is uncollectible for any reason, all winnings generated from that deposit will be considered invalid. "

[StellarWind]

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Bodog Terms & Conditions:

"13. If any eCash deposit is uncollectible for any reason, all winnings generated from that deposit will be considered invalid. "

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This clause does not apply as the $100 debt is in fact collectible because OP is making good on it. If this is the only applicable T&C then Bodog is clearly unjustified in keeping the money.

[UATrewqaz]

I said they need to make it more up front, like on the actual deposit page where the user is entering his bank account info. He needs to see this text displayed prominently so he can make very certain his information is correct.

They should also adopt a "enter it twice for verification" type system, like with passwords at most sites.

This would eliminate people who accidentally screw up like the OP and also still allow Bodog to prevent retards from trying to steal money.

The open endedness of these T&C really scare me to

"for any reason"

that's about as broad as you can get. So what if there is an electrial storm that prevents the EFT from going through and I win 1st in a MTT for 100K, theyc an keep my money because my deposit didn't go through, after all doesn't an electrical storm fall under "any reason"

I'm not sayign Bodog is being completely ridiculous, I understand their policy and why they do it, however they need to make it such that innocent folk don't get entangled in a mess like this because of a small error.

[StellarWind]

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While this DOES suck, they are correct that someone could scam them in this way.

1) Deposit with barely wrong bank account number.
2) Gambooool
3) If you win, call them to correct bank info and cashout. If you lose, avoid their emails and never go back.

The only way to prevent someone from doing this is to prevent people who made an honest mistake from cashing out as well. It is a crappy situation, but it seems like the only way to avoid it is to a) not let you play instantly with un-cleared deposits, or b) do what they did to you.

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This is true but consider that it's an inadequate precaution. A real scammer would open a new checking account with virtually no money in it, make the deposit at Bodog with correct account information and gamble it up. Then if he wins he quickly runs to the bank before the e-check bounces. Bodog cannot object to this because the possibility of an NSF check is never visible to them.

Bodog's handling of this situation is very bad for online poker. It looks shady and disreputable and creates very negative word-of-mouth for the industry. No matter how much you believe in the quoted argument it doesn't change anything. When Joe Gambler gets burned this way he invariably is going to tell all his friends that he got ripped off by an online poker site.

It's not just Bodog that pays for its bad behavior, it's every online poker site and you and me too. Without trust online poker cannot exist. Trust seems to be especially fragile right now with the constant parade of cheating scandals involving major players and business scandals involving major poker rooms.

Bodog's behavior as described by OP shouldn't be acceptable. We shouldn't be making excuses for poker rooms with low ethical standards. If the facts presented are correct then Bodog needs to pay the player his winnings. If they won't do that then they deserve to be condemned and blacklisted. Seizing player funds without ironclad justification is unacceptable and the player community needs to say this and keep saying it until the Bodogs of the world get it.

[elliot]

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Rags,

They really didn't steal anything. You played with $100 that wasn't yours. Bodog lends you the money to play with until your payment clears. Next time be more careful when entering important information.

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