QQ top set

[zizazziza]

I was talking with one of my friends we were debating about whether i should shove the flop bc he put half his stack in or call and let him shove the rest of his stack in on the turn

Full Tilt Poker Game #2742631730: Daily Double - A (20411873), Table 28 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold\’em - 22:56:28 ET - 2007/06/22
Seat 1: bigfoot729 (2,095)
Seat 2: dblarcuda (9,930)
Seat 3: T-Rock21 (6,180)
Seat 4: FIRE9000 (8,705)
Seat 5: moveinon (3,455)
Seat 6: zizazziza412 (8,340)
Seat 7: CanadaAdam (6,065)
Seat 8: humlae111 (9,147)
Seat 9: stingray806 (6,035)
bigfoot729 antes 25
dblarcuda antes 25
T-Rock21 antes 25
FIRE9000 antes 25
moveinon antes 25
zizazziza412 antes 25
CanadaAdam antes 25
humlae111 antes 25
stingray806 antes 25
dblarcuda posts the small blind of 120
T-Rock21 posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zizazziza412 [Qs Qc]
FIRE9000 folds
moveinon has 15 seconds left to act
moveinon calls 240
zizazziza412 raises to 1,000
CanadaAdam folds
humlae111 folds
stingray806 folds
bigfoot729 folds
dblarcuda has 15 seconds left to act
dblarcuda folds
T-Rock21 calls 760
moveinon folds
*** FLOP *** [9s 2h Qh]
T-Rock21 bets 2,585
zizazziza412 has 15 seconds left to act
zizazziza412

[8Adam8]

shove shove shove !!

[ZJ123]

Doesnt Matter hes not folding

[Eagles]

people fold sooooooo often here. Like all the time easy call.

edit: By soo often I mean way more than they should. Because they should fold about 0% of the time. But you will honestly get folds to a shove like 20% of the time.

[cferejohn]

Yeah, I don't see any particular reason to shove here. I mean, if he ever folds its a mistake for you to push. You might say "charge a heart draw", but a) he's certainly not folding a flush draw and b) you aren't folding if a 3rd heart hits, so if he's got a heart draw, the rest of the money is going in anyway, and if he sucks out, he sucks out.

I would go ahead and push the turn if he checks behind though. No sense in having it come heart-heart and making you throw up.

[KneeCo]

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I mean, if he ever folds its a mistake for you to push.

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Something like that. Although both are obv rare, he prob folds the flop more often than a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the turn and he c/fs it. Its one of those plays that you feel dirty doing cause it's like transparent and stupid but at the same time its the best move at the moment (like the rare time you min raise the nuts or something).