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#82
06-22-2007, 04:32 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
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Against HL, I would stiuck to push or fold. No fancy plays. [/ QUOTE ] I would guess that he folds way tighter to a 3-bet and I think you can make it a straight 6k if you think you're getting priced in. I can't see how it's going to make any difference. 
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#83
06-22-2007, 04:33 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
Quick question. The OP was a little unclear about this.
Did he bet 2200 or 3100? It said he reached for 2200 more, and made that his action. MLG, I think you have a good line if what you say is correct about HL's play. If he calls, what would you assume his range to be? What is your plan on various flops?
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#85
06-22-2007, 04:54 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
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i think reraising to 6500 planning on folding to a shove isnt getting enough love here. [/ QUOTE ] Too thin, we are getting close to the right odds even if he pushes only AK and QQ+ if we do that. We get about 29% and we only need about 30-31% equity to call an allin. Just seems bad to me.
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#86
06-22-2007, 04:55 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
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betgo, what range do you think lederer is 4 bet-pushing? I think its exactly AA/KK. although i suppose with the large ante its still prob a call. very close though. enough that you can maybe make it like 6k, an still have folding room. and again i think he never ever shoves QQ/AK if you do that. If he will i think its a non-issue obv. [/ QUOTE ] Wow you think he never shoves QQ or AK? What do you think he does with those hands? Even against that range of AA-KK we are like 26%, which is at least close to the right pot odds.
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#89
06-22-2007, 05:03 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
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[ QUOTE ] i think reraising to 6500 planning on folding to a shove isnt getting enough love here. [/ QUOTE ] Too thin, we are getting close to the right odds even if he pushes only AK and QQ+ if we do that. We get about 29% and we only need about 30-31% equity to call an allin. Just seems bad to me. [/ QUOTE ] i agree, i think we need to have a better grasp on his 4-bet freq, which we pretty clearly don't. i do truly believe we should call here though. obviously nothing we do is going to be an easy way out or anything, but i think flat>fold>4-bet call shove/shove>4-bet fold to shove. i also don't think that when/if we flat we need to shove over every flop bet to make it +cEV. i have no proof of this though, and obviously we need to shvoe over a fair amount of c-bets but we dont know his cbet freq on diff types of boards and we don't even know he is 3-betting light to begin with. but i think we are deep enough(just barely) that we can call and win ui fairly often. if nothing else, it will probably slow him up 3-betting us in the future a bit.
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#90
06-22-2007, 05:05 PM
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Re: WSOP $3k Decision vs. Howard Lederer
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[ QUOTE ] Quick question. The OP was a little unclear about this. Did he bet 2200 or 3100? It said he reached for 2200 more, and made that his action. [/ QUOTE ] 3100 total [/ QUOTE ] Scratch the four bet then.
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