A2s against Mr Mega Maniac

[Nick C]

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He was up about 40BB if that's believable.

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Yeah, it's believable.

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He didn't seem to like me very much though.

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This isn't a big surprise either. I think maniacs get really sick of me interfering with their fun, sometimes.

Anyway, your play in the posted hand seems all right to me. I probably see a showdown against this guy even if I don't catch an ace or a straight.

[2+2 wannabe]

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calling this flop can't be +EV

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you really want to fold?

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he raises 1/2 of his hands preflop - presumably he limps his junk

there aren't many hands that he raises pf that we're ahead of right now (ax, kx, qx, jx, pp), and even if we're ahead he has at least 6 outs

I really don't like it

[adsman]

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there aren't many hands that he raises pf that we're ahead of right now (ax, kx, qx, jx, pp),

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If you add those up, that's a lot of hands.

[2+2 wannabe]

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there aren't many hands that he raises pf that we're ahead of right now (ax, kx, qx, jx, pp),

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If you add those up, that's a lot of hands.

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sorry, those are all the hands we're behind - I said it in reverse

[Nick C]

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calling this flop can't be +EV

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you really want to fold?

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he raises 1/2 of his hands preflop - presumably he limps his junk

there aren't many hands that he raises pf that we're ahead of right now (ax, kx, qx, jx, pp), and even if we're ahead he has at least 6 outs

I really don't like it

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I'm thinking a 56-percent PFR guy probably doesn't have entirely consistent standards.

Plus, on the flop in any case, we're not in such terrible shape against an Ax, Kx, Qx, Jx, PP range. We've got 7 outs against a lot of the hands in that range, plus a backdoor flush.

[adsman]

Yeah, it was the backdoor flush that sealed the flop call for me. Without that I probably would have folded.

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just for fun I tossed the top 1/2 of hands in PokerStove vs. Hero's hand:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

494,010 games 0.721 secs 685,173 games/sec

Board: Kd Qc Jc
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 65.9214 % 58.80% 07.12% { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 2: 34.0786 % 26.96% 07.12% { Ad2d }

this is if you get to the river - you're putting in 5SB to get the 4.5 + 5 = 9.5SB - so ~2:1 effective odds as 2:1 underdog

I'll admit that it's an either-or situation, but I just fold this

[adsman]

Interesting. There is one further consideration. Metagame purposes. I think against this type of player in these types of heads up situations with this sort of hand, you have to start calling him down to blunt his bluffing tactics. I picked this spot for it.

[2+2 wannabe]

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Interesting. There is one further consideration. Metagame purposes. I think against this type of player in these types of heads up situations with this sort of hand, you have to start calling him down to blunt his bluffing tactics. I picked this spot for it.

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good point - I respect that

[Sandberg]

I always worry what maniacs like this back into. I like the way you played it. I might think about raising the river but what do we do with the inevetible three-bet here? Well played. nice hand.