hand reading exercise

[Gap23Razor]

good answer, changing my opinion to go along with high pair with one high diamond

[KitCloudkicker]

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good answer, changing my opinion to go along with high pair with one high diamond

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reason i disagree is that youre getting too much in on a later street when you could be still drawing, thereby making it too expensive. however, with the AK (no diamond) our hand is already made - if we're behind, we can easily fold to a turn 3 Bet.

i would prefer a flop 4 bet/cap with AKd, but thats just me.

[HollywoodDB]

Pbob, does MP know that UTG is nutso? Is his 3 bet an isolation raise or do you think he has a stronger hand.

[Dan87]

KK with King of diamond

[B_Movie_Fan]

My original thoughts were AxKx (no diamond), AxQx, or AxQd. Obviously the AQ hands depend on how much the "young kid" who knew who you were was adjusting to the spewtard UTG and how much pb was adjusting to that.

I'll stick with AxKx, no diamond.

[KitCloudkicker]

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KK with King of diamond

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why on earth would you raise the turn with this hand? so you can pay double for your draw?

[HollywoodDB]

I would say he does not ever have KK with the [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] here. He knows no one is ever folding an A.

[Dan87]

if he does have KxKd that makes MP less likely to have AK, and more likely to have QxQd and bet the turn to represent the ace.

I could be way off here, but somehow i dont think anyone has an ace in this hand. I think both of the players were just trying to get UTG out

[JJH3984]

Well lets go street by street here:

Preflop: PB's range is significantly larger than his default 4 -betting range here. He isn't four betting some random tight passives. Maniac's range is large. I assume if the kid knows who PB is, he is at least a bad TAG so he'll know about isolation threebetting. TT+, KQs+, AQ+ depending on table conditions (if very passive, he might be able to cold call some big suited connectors for volume)

Flop/Turn: Well the flop raise only tells us that PB has a hand he'd like to continue with. The pot is big and only 3 way. I think PB is raising with most hands he'll want to play: mostly for value, but also in case UTG makes a mistake and folds. (He probably just calls with KKd-TTd) I think we can knock the PPs without a diamond off the list and all non-ace, non diamond having hands also).

The call of the third raise and raise of the turn tells us a bit more about the hand. I think PB should and would cap in this spot with hands that have good equity against the hand ranges of mp and especially utg. For this reason I think we can rule out flushes, big combo hands like AxQd, AxKd, and maybe AA. I can actually see PB playing AA in this manner sometimes. In any case, he should cap the flop with flush/pair-nut draws with a diamond.

River: AA and flushes both put in another raise here I think.

Conclusion: AK with no diamond, mebbe AQ no diamond.

edit: the turn raise almost eliminates KK and QQ from PB's range imo. What kind of hand is he hoping utg will fold? Retards don't fold diamonds in big pots. Looks like a raise to charge a draw to me.

[HollywoodDB]

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if he does have KxKd that makes MP less likely to have AK, and more likely to have QxQd and bet the turn to represent the ace.



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Nice. But, wouldn't he 4bet the flop if he wanted UTG out? And is MP bet/3 betting the flop with QQ after PBob cold 4 bet preflop?