Obvious Collusion at *edited* (Long -Cliff Notes at bottom)

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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I want to run into BicycleBiatch at the Commerce so I can diagnois wether he is a pyscho / compulsive liar / terrible observer or not.

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I'm welcome to meet up with anyone and have some level headed poker talk with them. You can verify I'm not a moron.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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While paying attention for collusion is important, being ignorant and going off about COLLUSION FOR SURE is quite dangerous and retarded.

I haven't talked to bob, but based on the conversation I highly highly doubt anything weird is going on. And to say that bob is a moron or whatever or a cheater if he hasn't said anything is also stupid.

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PokerBob and I had a pretty candid conversation on PM. He understands where I'm coming from... and I think he's a pretty straight up guy.

I think that the action is so loose... the players that are winning... really aren't seeing what's going on with these colluders.

It's basically selective observation.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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However, next time any of these players are in LA... I'll have one of the boss-men at the Bike set up any game we want to play.

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I smell road trip.

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Apparently I won't be part of the road trip attraction... amazingly... all the people I was playing with today... you know... the guys sweating the 30-60 action... all the sudden I'm finding out they only come to CA to play 200-400. Wow...

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I go to CB occasionally to play 30/60 for fun, and usually with friends who are also playing in the game. It's a good competitive challenge/rivalry. Do you really think that if I go to CB I'm going expecting to grind out my $60/hr?

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You are welcome to insult my play as much as you like. I'm sure playing me heads up wouldn't be worth your time. Furthermore, I'm sure you could afford to play for stakes that would but me out of my comfort zone and therefore you would crush me. Good for you. However, if you want to play a couple freeze out matches at my condo while I'm up in vegas just to prove your point.... I'd be willing to put up a few grand.

HOWEVER, having a flaw in my game, not being able to afford playing $200-400... and/or not being observant enought to recognize the betting patterns of players you have played with for 4,000 hours DOES NOT mean I can't spot the obvious.

PokerBob repeatidly said that the two guys that were getting out of line are just Laggy... I never knew that the characteristics of laggy play was 5 bet preflop... then check fold the flop.

ESPECIALLY when these players are dead quiet the whole game... and then, during said hand... the verbage and signal calling was pretty loud.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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I go to CB occasionally to play 30/60 for fun, and usually with friends who are also playing in the game. It's a good competitive challenge/rivalry. Do you really think that if I go to CB I'm going expecting to grind out my $60/hr?

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I don't know... I've never met you nor have we ever spoken about poker.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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this whole thread is rediculous.

they arent cheating, one of them four bets Q6s in a 9 handed game. thinks that you have to "mix it up" like that in order to beat the game.

also, many of the guys who are buddies like to take shots at eachother like that, some play softer against eachother, but like pbob said when he plays with schneider, bk, he really goes off and does rediculous stuff (they all do, because they play like spewtard monkeys against eachother)

ps. i cant beat laura anymore in that game anymore, it sucks, and i want to kill myself.

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OK... so which is it? Are these guys "world class limit players" that are just playing a Meta game I can't understand?

-OR- are they spewtards that like playing like retards against eachother and HENCE make the game look like collusion to the random outsider????

You can't have it both ways [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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man someone needs to link those threads from back in the day when cbury forbid schnieds, bk, and nlsoldier and some others from playing together.

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Info please? What's the deal with this? Was I on to something that has been brought up before?

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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nice shirt by the way. " why are you wearing a hat and sunglasses at a 3-6 table"

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That was my brother... for the record he is a hell of a limit player and has been crushing any stud game he can find in CA for the last year or so.

He's a good guy, an honest cat, and a math professor at Layola. He has the same feelings I do about the colluding at that short handed game prior to our move to the main game.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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what areyou talking about bob? Gennady and billy have been a tag team for quite some time now.

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OH... redemption might be on the way. Are Gennady and Billy the shaved head guy and the talk darker dude that I was playing against yesterday?

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PokerBob repeatidly said that the two guys that were getting out of line are just Laggy... I never knew that the characteristics of laggy play was 5 bet preflop... then check fold the flop.

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Idiots do stupid things. Thats what makes the game good. Colluders tend to see the river together and split the money in the parking lot, they are generally hesitant to make it obvious on the table.

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what areyou talking about bob? Gennady and billy have been a tag team for quite some time now.

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OH... redemption might be on the way. Are Gennady and Billy the shaved head guy and the talk darker dude that I was playing against yesterday?

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everyone is pulling your string, your on to nothing. The thread reguarding Schneids, BK, NL Soilder, and a few others was because their games were so rowdy that they disturbed the peace in the room so they weren't allowed to play together anymore. For what its worth i was accused of collusion by the biggest fish in the 30/60 game at CB, which is hysterical since I was a tourist and knew nobody in the game.