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Old 05-28-2007, 11:58 PM
relativity_x relativity_x is offline
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Default 6.50 turbo - preflop with JJ 5 left.

CO is 33/12 and SB is 37/23.... I put the CO on any ace, pocket pair and K9s+, with the SB over the top I had him on a tight range TT+, AQs+. I think the pot odds require a call, but I think the SB has me beat/racing too often to be profitable. I chose to fold, fwiw. What's the correct move?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t200 with t25 antes (5 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t2100)
CO (t2075)
Button (t2840)
SB (t2740)
Hero (t3745)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to t2050 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t2715 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">Hero ??????
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Old 05-28-2007, 11:59 PM
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Default Re: 6.50 turbo - preflop with JJ 5 left.

id call but i dont think SB rangres are that tight
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Old 05-29-2007, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: 6.50 turbo - preflop with JJ 5 left.

If you put them on these ranges, you have to fold.

Even if SB is a little more loose, like say AJ, 88, you still should fold here.
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Old 05-29-2007, 12:09 AM
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Default Re: 6.50 turbo - preflop with JJ 5 left.

Abort. Save your stack for another day.
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Old 05-29-2007, 12:32 AM
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Default Re: 6.50 turbo - preflop with JJ 5 left.

hippo, what would you assign the SB range with his given stats?
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Old 05-29-2007, 12:41 AM
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Default Re: 6.50 turbo - preflop with JJ 5 left.

that range is way too tight, youre working with just over 10bb here on 2 players with laggy stats. Id call here.
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Old 05-29-2007, 12:48 AM
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Default Re: 6.50 turbo - preflop with JJ 5 left.

One of the guys is gone after this hand. If I fold here, I'll be in second. If I call and win, I'll be dominating the table. If I call and lose, I'm crippled.

I say I'm a 60% favorite at best over their ranges, so I feel the best decision is folding. FWIW, CO had AJ and SB had AQ, so I feel my ranges were close. With my assigned ranges, it's a fold correct?
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Old 05-29-2007, 12:54 AM
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Default Re: 6.50 turbo - preflop with JJ 5 left.

I don't think you're losing that often pf (no way CO has QQ+, and SB's stats imply that it's highly unlikely he has one of those hands as well), so I bet you're beating both. CO could be trying to steal blinds with a weakish hand that he could still try to win with if called. I'd have to say, though, that you're looking at a smaller pp and 1 over in the best case scenario, whereas in the worse scenarios you're probably looking at 3 overs. You've got a good stack, and calling here could really cripple you. IDK I think I'm being nitty but I'd probably fold here as well.
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Old 05-29-2007, 01:12 AM
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Default Re: 6.50 turbo - preflop with JJ 5 left.

I never said QQ+ was CO's range. Instead, I put the CO on any ace, pocket pair and K9s+. CO was loose in limping, but raising 12% isn't that bad considering his VP$IP.

I originally put the SB on TT+, AQs+. I agree that range is pretty tight for the his possible range. I feel that it's going to be fairly tight because he doesn't want to risk his stack with much less than that. I'd say a more appropriate range is 88+, AT+, and maybe KQs+. I really don't think SB is pushing over top with suited connectors lower than KQs at this stage.
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Old 05-29-2007, 02:04 AM
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Default Re: 6.50 turbo - preflop with JJ 5 left.

i just can't force myself to fold jacks here in a 6.50, we're ahead way too often for folding to be correct. most of the time one of them has 7s and the other has like AJ - just hope the bigger stack has the 7s and get it in there.
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