86s facing a turn donk

[Dire]

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*Grunch* You have to fold. He might have played the hand this way with big overcards or a big pocket pair, but he didn't raise preflop, so this is unlikely. He MIGHT do this with top pair (10s), but I think we are way behind his range most of the time here with bottom two.

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...ummm wow.

Guess this as good a place as any - wtf is up with this *grunch* stuff? Thanks.

[Bumfuzzled]

i think you fold this. all you beat is a pair, and if he's got a T or an over pair, why didn't he reraise the flop, also, if he's as bad as you say he is, there will be a much better spot to get your money in against him.

[wrkingtobegreat]

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*Grunch* You have to fold. He might have played the hand this way with big overcards or a big pocket pair, but he didn't raise preflop, so this is unlikely. He MIGHT do this with top pair (10s), but I think we are way behind his range most of the time here with bottom two.

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...ummm wow.

Guess this as good a place as any - wtf is up with this *grunch* stuff? Thanks.

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do you not know what a grunch is? or would you rather get heavily involved on our hand that only beats top pair and is behind to a very possible straight or set given preflop action?

[Dire]

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*Grunch* You have to fold. He might have played the hand this way with big overcards or a big pocket pair, but he didn't raise preflop, so this is unlikely. He MIGHT do this with top pair (10s), but I think we are way behind his range most of the time here with bottom two.

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...ummm wow.

Guess this as good a place as any - wtf is up with this *grunch* stuff? Thanks.

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do you not know what a grunch is? or would you rather get heavily involved on our hand that only beats top pair and is behind to a very possible straight or set given preflop action?

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Calling $23 is not getting 'heavily involved'. You may be behind, you may be ahead. The redonk turn line is often weakness, and the OP's read is that SB is a bad player. You're being laid 3:1 and I think you're better way more than 25% here. It's not like your only decisions are shove/raise or fold. Calling and evaluating the river is fine and good.

But yeah, that wasn't my real question/comment. What is a grunch?

[cowpig]

You are ahead here almost every time. Take whatever line you think will get the most money in vs weakish made hands.

[fees]

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Raise 70$, fold to a push, to check the river in position ?

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[The.Accountant]

grunching is a term that was widely used in the micro limit pages when i played limit

it's when a poster responds without reading the advice in posts above theirs so as to not corrupt themselves by the poor advice contained therein

[wrschultz]

Just calling or raising is fine here. Folding is ABSOLUTELY out of the question. If you raise you should probably call a push. If you just call, you should try to get some reasonable value on the river.

[gimmetheloot]

U said hes awful...


...i like 70 check behind river and fold to shove line.

[Dire]

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grunching is a term that was widely used in the micro limit pages when i played limit

it's when a poster responds without reading the advice in posts above theirs so as to not corrupt themselves by the poor advice contained therein

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ahhh.. thanks