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Old 05-22-2007, 12:40 AM
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Having analyzed what the player MAY have been thinking, I wonder if anybody has any ideas what he WAS thinking, given his cards. He had AK, so the third Ace really couldn't helped him unless he was alread ahead. Any idea what was going through his mind calling TPTK twice and then raising? Was it some elaborate fancy play? Is he just playing randomly? Am I overthinking this?

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Because trips is a better hand than one pair. Bad players (and if he doesn't 3bet AK here he's bad) don't necessarily understand relative hand strength.
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Old 05-22-2007, 09:06 AM
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Having analyzed what the player MAY have been thinking, I wonder if anybody has any ideas what he WAS thinking, given his cards. He had AK, so the third Ace really couldn't helped him unless he was alread ahead. Any idea what was going through his mind calling TPTK twice and then raising? Was it some elaborate fancy play? Is he just playing randomly? Am I overthinking this?

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Because trips is a better hand than one pair. Bad players (and if he doesn't 3bet AK here he's bad) don't necessarily understand relative hand strength.

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He could also be a thinking player, that just doesn't know what to do with the results he has. He easily could have put you on a high pocker pair/A and figured if he raised you before the river you'd just fold your your beaten pocket pairs or stop betting your weaker A. People like to slowplay for no other reason than to slowplay.
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Old 05-22-2007, 11:35 AM
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The player did not even raise pf with his AK. If the second ace didn't hit, you probably would not have been raised on the river. Passive players find reasons not to bet or raise until they are completely convinced that they have a winner.
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Old 05-22-2007, 12:46 PM
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I forgot the best one of all

4. Enjoys winning the minimum.
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Old 05-22-2007, 01:14 PM
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My guess is villian is letting hero do the work while waiting to see if the flush comes. Also, lots of players limp with AK hoping to get this type of trapping opportunity. Villian is probably also thinking that if he raises on the turn he'll push hero off a weaker hand and lose bets, get called and have hero hit a possible flush and lose bets, or just have hero check/call and lose bets. Villian limped, hoping for a trap opportunity, and he got it. By the way, I would have value bet on the river too and grudgingly paid off villian.
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:35 PM
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Most low-limit B&M players don't bluff. And they would not raise a second A river with a Q.

Depending on his body language, I would call or 3-town this. I lean to the 3-town. Since he didn't raise the button, I believe he's pimping a small A. If it was A2 we should have heard from him on the turn.
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:45 PM
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Having analyzed what the player MAY have been thinking, I wonder if anybody has any ideas what he WAS thinking, given his cards. He had AK, so the third Ace really couldn't helped him unless he was alread ahead. Any idea what was going through his mind calling TPTK twice and then raising? Was it some elaborate fancy play? Is he just playing randomly? Am I overthinking this?

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Because trips is a better hand than one pair. Bad players (and if he doesn't 3bet AK here he's bad) don't necessarily understand relative hand strength.

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He could also be a thinking player, that just doesn't know what to do with the results he has. He easily could have put you on a high pocker pair/A and figured if he raised you before the river you'd just fold your your beaten pocket pairs or stop betting your weaker A. People like to slowplay for no other reason than to slowplay.

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I really really doubt this guy's that smart.


I think most of you are way too used to the internet games. Most live 4-8 players barely understand what a small blind is.


I'm not surprised he had AK. I figured him for a weak Ace, but seeing stupid stuff like this isn't at all surprising. I'm sure he would have told you his entire thought process if you just asked; that's one of the cool things about live play. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:43 PM
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I think most of you are way too used to the internet games. Most live 4-8 players barely understand what a small blind is.


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I dont know were your playing but I want in.
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:47 PM
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I think most of you are way too used to the internet games. Most live 4-8 players barely understand what a small blind is.


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I dont know were your playing but I want in.

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You could try my 4/8 game in Winnipeg.
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:14 PM
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I know what you mean about AT hands, it can be tricky at times when you hit your Ace and you are playing with several passive players who never raise PF with AQ, AK or even QQ. You bet and bet thinking that your Ace is good and they flip over AK, AQ or AJ and have you dominated. They just opt to call you down because you raised PF. I see it all the time at 3/6 and 4/8. All you can do is bet it until you hit some aggression than you can evaluate the hand. It almost makes you want to pair your Ten instead at times eh? I'm learning that some of these older guys you have to take special note of if they are calling you all the way down at times. Im not saying to get passive just take notes of what hands they are showing down and constantly missing bets with and proceed accordingly.
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