LC: Cure for bubbling

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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What typically is the cause of a player getting too many 4ths?

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just use your ICM program. Make sure you study every hand. If you lose, but it says you push/folded correctly then try not to worry about it.

Mentally you're probably screwed up from an excess of 4ths and questioning your icm play. You're might be pushing Ax from an EP when you should be folding, and folding 86 type hands from sb when you should be shoving.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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just concentrate on ICM stuff...use a bubble trainer like the one on prego poker

also, what kind of stack are you usually entering the bubble with

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Right. BT is essential.

Usually getting down to 4 with 2500-3500 chips.

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BT is good for getting a good idea about icm play, but SNGW (prolly SNGPT too) are necessary so you can play with ranges, stack sizes, etc and analyze specific situations from your actual games. This analysis is more helpful than just quizing. This identifies problems in YOUR game...

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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sound advice allabouttheu, thanks


so its a bad idea to big stack bully if you're the only one that knows what big stack bullying is? makes since.

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I have tried to do this SO much, but randoms just don't fold when you push every hand, unless there is a really smallstack around - and even then they can't fold AQ/AJ.

I basically have cut down a ton on my bubble pwning vs randoms unless its a really obvious spot for them to fold, like a really shortstack, or i have a good image.

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If someone is bullying me, I would probably be calling w/ AQ, AJ unless there was a big shorty.

Calling on the bubble seems to be harder than shoving on the bubble. Villain needs to be pretty tight for me to not call w/ AQ, AJ on bubble (obv blinds need to be high relative to stacks)

[slimon]

Maybe when we bully we only remember the times that we got called by KJo and lose. I always remember how I get sucked out on and not how I suck out on others. I'm always thinking am I leaking when I bully the raiser in the bubble and get called.

Do you push this? Let's say blinds are 200/400 with 4 people and the shortest stack has 400 chips left. You are in the sb with 3000 chips and the bb has 6000. The other guy has 4100. Do you risk pushing into bb? I'm thinking you should push this because bb won't call you with crap like KJo or would he? #2 Would you push it if you had 4000 chips?

[juiceistilted]

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Would we go so far as to not make ATC SB pushes with 10bb and less if we know the BB is one of the "double or bubble" cats?

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It isn't ATC if he's calling stupid wide. Figure out the ranges that those goons call with and push appropriately.

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I always tried to get every hand correct in my ICM tool, and then I started doing this. Once you establish that they are calling super wide, of course then you adjust you range approiately. God I love 2p2! all of you guys help me so much!

[recondite7]

For low buy ins the answer is simple.

You bubble more than you should because often times folding is a VERY +EV play if your opponents are prone to calling all ins way too much.

Example: on the bubble and everyone has 2000 chips with blinds of 100/200 and you have a marginally plus ev hand on the button. You put the BB on a wide calling range and the you know the SB will push any two into the BB. Lets say that if you push here it's marginally +EV, BUT it's MORE +EV to fold and have the bubble burst a lot of the time.

Think about it, how can you beat sngs when people call too much? You'll see these calls way more at the $6 tables than the $215's but nobody would claim that the latter was easier. $EV can be gained in many ways don't think that pushing or calling decisions that are +$EV are necessarily the optimal play at certain tables.

[slimon]

Against people that you know will bully you if you raise when there is a short stack would limping work against that strategy.

[Kevin8423]

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Against people that you know will bully you if you raise when there is a short stack would limping work against that strategy.

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Unlikely if I understand what you are asking. If you were to make a standard raise and know its extremely likely the big stack will shove over with ATC because of another short stack then limping would probably also get shoved over.

[blackize]

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Against people that you know will bully you if you raise when there is a short stack would limping work against that strategy.

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No. They'll bully you when you limp too.

[TwistedEcho]

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sound advice allabouttheu, thanks


so its a bad idea to big stack bully if you're the only one that knows what big stack bullying is? makes since.

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I have tried to do this SO much, but randoms just don't fold when you push every hand, unless there is a really smallstack around - and even then they can't fold AQ/AJ.

I basically have cut down a ton on my bubble pwning vs randoms unless its a really obvious spot for them to fold, like a really shortstack, or i have a good image.

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If someone is bullying me, I would probably be calling w/ AQ, AJ unless there was a big shorty.

Calling on the bubble seems to be harder than shoving on the bubble. Villain needs to be pretty tight for me to not call w/ AQ, AJ on bubble (obv blinds need to be high relative to stacks)

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yeah i mean spots where the good players are folding AQ/AJ, they aren't. I mean if they are calling a reasonable range of broadway/pairs then thats cool and i just pwn away, its when they start calling with like Q8s, K3 etc that you have to slow down