ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[William]

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I don't even have a stars account but am guessing what N decribes is simply copying and renaming the stars client executable. The client probably checks the list of running processes and sees if it already exists. Full disclosure is definitely the way to go here as stars has little incentive to fix it without publicity.

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The obvious goal is to find a way to get around the inability to run multiple instances concurrently. There are multiple ways to do it, all of which should be obvious to Stars. The issue is how to block these attempts... and I don't know how to do that or if it's even possible.

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Maybe instead of assuming it can't be done you should notify the site and let people that are experts and paid to deal with this kind of problem figure it out.

IMO you come with a lot of statements about what YOU assume or think.
Believe it or not, there are plenty of intelligent people in these forums that don't like very much that other (obviously also intelligent people as you give the impression to be) keep telling them that the only think that matters is what you assume. (like you did trying to justify ZJ and now your knowledge about cheating methods)

I might have completely misunderstood you here as I don't know you at all, but I assure you that this is the impression you are giving to posters that are not familiar with your way of thinking.

[Banks2334]

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I don't even have a stars account but am guessing what N decribes is simply copying and renaming the stars client executable. The client probably checks the list of running processes and sees if it already exists. Full disclosure is definitely the way to go here as stars has little incentive to fix it without publicity.

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The obvious goal is to find a way to get around the inability to run multiple instances concurrently. There are multiple ways to do it, all of which should be obvious to Stars. The issue is how to block these attempts... and I don't know how to do that or if it's even possible.

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Maybe instead of assuming it can't be done you should notify the site and let people that are experts and paid to deal with this kind of problem figure it out.

IMO you come with a lot of statements about what YOU assume or think.
Believe it or not, there are plenty of intelligent people in these forums that don't like very much that other (obviously also intelligent people as you give the impression to be) keep telling them that the only think that matters is what you assume. (like you did trying to justify ZJ and now your knowledge about cheating methods)

I might have completely misunderstood you here as I don't know you at all, but I assure you that this is the impression you are giving to posters that are not familiar with your way of thinking.

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Exactly. Instead of not giving information because you don't think it will help, just give the info and let them deal with it.

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Maybe instead of assuming it can't be done you should notify the site and let people that are experts and paid to deal with this kind of problem figure it out.

IMO you come with a lot of statements about what YOU assume or think.
Believe it or not, there are plenty of intelligent people in these forums that don't like very much that other (obviously also intelligent people as you give the impression to be) keep telling them that the only think that matters is what you assume. (like you did trying to justify ZJ and now your knowledge about cheating methods)

I might have completely misunderstood you here as I don't know you at all, but I assure you that this is the impression you are giving to posters that are not familiar with your way of thinking.

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Yes, I acknowledge that many of the things I say are things that I assume. I understand completely if people choose to ignore what I have to say. It's perfectly within their right and they don't have to believe another anonymous person on the internet without any real credibility.

However, I have talked to ZJ more than many of the people here and I think I understand his mindset of pushing edges, gaining EV and maximizing hourly wage. I know what he was thinking when he did this and I'm pretty confident his focus was not on the benefits of collusion. I don't want to repeat myself more than I already have, so please see my previous posts for my stance on what he did and how it benefited him, in addition to what was wrong with it and how it affected other players.

EDIT: Oh, and I did PM El Diablo with the info, so it should be forwarded on. It's not ground-breaking information, but maybe it will help. I'm kinda curious to see their response.

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Dude I know no cheaters. I don't think you understand for just how short a period of time I was aware of the ZJ situaton.

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OK curtains, I apologize for directing those remarks to you as well as shaniac, who has admitted currently knowing other cheaters who have yet to be caught, and stated he is unwilling to turn them in, just as he was unwilling to come here and warn people cheating was going on in general.

But I do hope that in the future if anyone confided in you that they were cheating, that you would turn them in at the most, and disassociate yourself from them and warn people here without mentioning names at the very least.

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I did warn people here and on another forum (although moreso on another forum because that was the primary one I was using at the time). Also that knowledge was from someone who said the wanted to do it and I told them not to, and they said they wouldn't. It was also based on the fact that someone told me the name of a top player whom admitted to them that they did this. Of course I can't directly incriminate someone based on hearsay.

[Gelford]

Cmon William, now you are plain dumb


Stars and Party should be making an effort to make cheating in any form impossible, but have been extremly passive when it comes to this (yes ZJ and JJ are now busted, but many are still not convinced)

What N is stating is fairly obvious ... and ANY good programmer can easily see this, so Stars should be AWARE of this and TAKING measures

So I let N assume as he pleases, as security issue on stars are STARS RESPONSEBILITY and not N's or any of us

[Masterhp]

hhaha

[Nemesis_]

If you've not listened to this album BTW "Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am - Thats What I'm Not" then it's highly recommended that you do.

whos that guy there?
I wonder how it is that
he can survive five bad beats
He says he doesn't chip dump
but I doubt he keeps receipts
It's all not quite legitimate.

What a scummy man
just give him half a chance
I'll bet he'll rob you if he can
Can see it in his eyes
He's got a PartyPoker ban
amongst some other offences.

I've heard he plays tourneys all night
Sng's and MTTs, 6 entries - thats right
Now that he's been found out - he's still not seen the light

That Zee's a scumbag don't you know
A cheating scumbag don't you know...


Although you're trying hard to play fair
Opening more tables so you don't collude
You say that you're not really cheating
Sorry mate - but that is just quite rude

You must be up to summat
What are the chances? - sure it's more than likely
I've got this feeling in my stomach
I wonder what your next story might be

They say it changes when the chips are down
They say it changes when the chips are down
They say it changes when the chips are down
Round here.

Have you read his Bull [censored] statement
Trying to sound like it's Innocuous
As tho he don't know what he's doing
We think Zee has just [censored] up.

We're all delighted he's been found out
Posting here - and giving him what for
Because he can't keep stealing profit
Now that Partypokers shown him the door.

It won't stop just with Justin - no.

They say it changes when the chips are down
They say it changes when the chips are down
They say it changes when the chips are down
Round here.

What a scummy man
Just give him half a chance
I bet he'll rob you if he can
Can see it in his eyes that he's got a nasty plan
I hope you're not involved at all.

I hope you're not involved at all....

[William]

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So I let N assume as he pleases, as security issue on stars are STARS RESPONSEBILITY and not N's or any of us

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So why are there programs on TV where the police asks for information about criminals?
Why does any software asks you to report any bug or improvement?
Etc... etc...
It's called society.

I am not going to explain to you why your ststement is makes no sense. I am convinced you wouldn't understand.

[costanza_g]

I havent been reading since this was at about 800 but it MUST beat the myspace thread in OOT, cmon guys! only 1300 more posts to go!
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[MrMoo]

Diablo,

The poker sites can't stop this. There is nothing they can do that can't be gotten around. You can make it difficult but that is about it. Anyone determined to enter multiple times could do so through a variety of means.

The only possible solution I can see to preventing this is writing software which would build relationships between players on significant pots. However building software to link and analyze that amount of data would be pretty freaking amazing code. Something analogous to Google's search technology. Even if you could write something, it would only be able to detect gross violations that happend a lot. From a cost/benefit perspective, the Poker sites have no reason to develop such software. People will still play without it.

Like you said before, this is part of the rake for online poker.