NL Bots on Full Tilt

[AnnaBella]

If these said "players" are in fact playing from the same IP addy and at the same home/location--how does showing a picture ID and utility bill clear this matter?

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[Smart Money]

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Here are my Poker Tracker stats on the four players mentioned;

1forthethumb, full_tilting, mariojr, and 0_drunkenboxer.

(I'm not going to say which stats are for which player because that would be unfair on the players mentioned)

Hands……………..…………27375…..25422.....27644.....11537
VPIP%........................14.2….....14.1..…...1 5.06.....13.89
PFR%............................7.28….....7.32..…. ..7.56....….7.32
Att SB……….…...……..18.9…....19.23..….19.96..….18.47
Fold SB to Steal…....…..93.17…...90.62..….93.14..….91.88
Fold BB to Steal…….…90.2…....90.89...….91.4...….86.32
Went to Show Down…..15.24…...15.38..….16.43..….14.47
Won% at Show Down…48.92…...57.83..….55.12..….48.13
Flop Agg……...…………..8.35….....9.87..…..10.37..….12.67
Turn Agg……...…………..3.6….......4.3..…...3.18.....….4.06
River Agg……….………….3.13….....4.06..…...3.03....….2.87


One word sums this up for me: *Yawn*

I'm sure many "robotic-style" mutli-tablers have similar stats. There is nothing particularly interesting here.

As, I mentioned on my post two pages back, I play more hands against these players than anyone. Despite the stats being fairly similar, the players mentioned have some distinctively different styles that these stats don't show.

This thread is a waste of peoples' time and a big f****** joke.

-Narena.

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[AnnaBella]

I realize I am new to this forum, but has anyone really responded to your posts? You seem to be investing a lot of time for people who turn a deaf ear to your logic.

[Flintoff]

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good idea, lets have someone watch these 3 play for 6-8 hours and see if they get all their stats to converge as well as they do in the datamining.

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This has been said at least 3 times

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I realize I am new to this forum, but has anyone really responded to your posts? You seem to be investing a lot of time for people who turn a deaf ear to your logic.

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All DWarrior's post suggest is that the stats are VERY similar (no disrespect to him, I assume he is accurate - don't understand most of the stat gobldegook posted). I do however understand the significance of similar stats with a tiny margin of error - all it means is that these players play almost the same!

That is all. Nothing else. Nothing to see here, move along.

The stats could be PERFECTLY identical and that still would not be "evidence of botting". It is a good trigger to start investigations, however.

Identical stats do not make proof of bots, they make proof of identical players.

[AnnaBella]

Unless you have 4 warm bodies sitting there observing the "bots" performance and are able to override the plays, when necessary.

[AnnaBella]

Who would have known you were a friend if you didnt just appear??

[Chump Change]

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It's OPs own [censored] database, he can manipulate it however he wants. Other than posting a brag (BBV holla) I can think of no other reason to [censored] with your own stats save for proving some weird point like this. All it takes is omission of a few key hands

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nlnut agreed that the stats OP posted were accurate

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Aye, he did that just after the 2/3 mark, maybe 5 posts after where I stopped to reply. Pretty damning.

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If, as the OP asserts, someone is betting $5 into a $100 pot on the river, are you really going to instafold because "that's what the book says"? You're not at least going to think about it?

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(InstaEdit: Just scrolling up on this page I see a request of asking for other players databases to corroborate these stats, so maybe the thread came along after the first 2/3)



And sadly enough, hear I am.

I'm guessing 1100 posts and not one single person has said a [censored] thing about OP providing a hand history, or more importantly a hand # so it can be independently verified, to back up this claim or any other claim about specific hands; about things that are not shown by PT stats. It was all just blindly accepted.

And on the topic of PT stats... I was unaware many of the participants in this thread even played serious poker, and i'm guessing i'm right considering the ignorance of PT stats. It's OPs own [censored] database, he can manipulate it however he wants. Other than posting a brag (BBV holla) I can think of no other reason to [censored] with your own stats save for proving some weird point like this. All it takes is omission of a few key hands and suddenly the numbers start to equalize down to the 3rd and 4th decimal point, the group of douchebags sitting in a room (lolz no offense) playing the same inferior style starts to like TEH LOL BOTAMENTS1!

Now, unless it directly affects some of my BBV friends I could care less about NLHE full ring drying up.

Unlike Nation I truly have no vested interest in one way or the other, I'm just ACTUALLY RLY SRSRLY standing for the truth and justice.

Nothing the OP said has even been questioned and REPEATEDLY anecdotes have been used to supplement fact (1/10 blocking bet on the river, etc.) when from the beginning OP should've been held to the same stringent standards BOTFARM CREW4LYFE has been held to.

Reread the OP. It's a textbook case of working backwards, where he saw simliar stats, drew a conclusion of BOTZ, and worked to find information to substantiate this claim.

BOTZ, sweatshops, douchebags, whatev, the lack of even having a notion that one side of a debate's [censored] doesn't also stink is no kind of truth or justice i've ever participated in, nor want to.

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You done?

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You mean done offering up the notion of both sides receiving the same fair treatment? Yeah, pretty much. If you don't get it immediately, your little brain probably never will.

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It's OPs own [censored] database, he can manipulate it however he wants. Other than posting a brag (BBV holla) I can think of no other reason to [censored] with your own stats save for proving some weird point like this. All it takes is omission of a few key hands

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nlnut agreed that the stats OP posted were accurate

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what, you expect this poster to have read the replies?

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Lolz, nice try, but there's a big difference between making a reply after 1100 or so posts trying to safely assume the story is pretty much out there, and one covering something that was cleared up in the first couple pages.