bellagio shakeup

[Don Olney]

You guys who think the "B" does not need the 4/8 and 8/16 and small no-limit are way off base.
These games fed the bigger games. All rooms need a pool to draw from.
If the 15/30 has no pool to draw, it will dry up. If the 15/30 dries up there goes the 30/60 and so on.

I doubt very much the "B" will drop the 4/8 games. It is money in the pocket for them.

The 100/200 has what, three table going at most during non tourney time on the weekend.

p.s. TT

Just my humble opinion here about the "V".
Kathy is not the problem, I have spent many hours talking to that lady. She is handcuffed a little at this time. If she were to be turned loose and let her doing the things that need to be done she would have a winner here. HR is a problem at the "V". and some of the staff know this. There for they have a " WE DO WHAT WE THINK IS RIGHT ATTITUDE".

[3rdCheckRaise]

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Right, they need higher stakes players. Those higher stakes players know the lower limit players and hear the lower limit players whine and bitch and think "Well hell, why would I go to the Bellagio? They treat the players like crap."

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Low limit player: "Don't play at the B , they treat us like crap"
Me: "Ohh wow...thanks for telling me. Where would you suggest i play anything higher then 40-80?"
Low Limit player: "Ohh i don't know...try LA or AC"

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Do you really think i care what 4-8 players are saying when the only 100-200 game in town is at the B? Please understand that while B runs those 4-8 and 8-16 games they really do not need them and they need local low limit nits even less.

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Fine. Let them shut them down and fill up the place with 100-200 games instead.

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If the rumor is true, then it looks like that might be hapening

[RayPowers]

Do you really think the conversation goes like that? Talk about people who think the world revolves around them; ironically the same argument being used against the "low limit nits" here.

So, everyone the low limit player talks to is looking to play 100/200? What about the huge number of players at the medium stakes that have now been told that the Bellagio is total ass and go play elsewhere? (*insert Don's excellent post about the feed up to 100/200*)

The Bellagio is hurting all of their games by treating the low limit games badly. While they may be the only game in town running 100/200 right now, I doubt it's going to stay that way for forever, and when other casinos spread it, it will be even worse for them since they appear to be dragging their reputation through the dirt.

And the fact that they are getting such a bad reputation, your imagined conversation is equally likely to go like this, even with a 100/200 player:

Low limit player: "Don't play at the B , they treat us like crap"
Me: "Ohh wow...thanks for telling me. Where would you suggest i play anything higher then 40-80?"
Low Limit player: "Ohh i don't know...I don't play that high!"
Me: "Well, crap, I love casino X, maybe I'll see if I can get enough people to bug them to spread 100/200 there instead..."

Ray

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Low limit player: "Don't play at the B , they treat us like crap"
Me: "Ohh wow...thanks for telling me. Where would you suggest i play anything higher then 40-80?"
Low Limit player: "Ohh i don't know...I don't play that high!"
Me: "Well, crap, I love casino X, maybe I'll see if I can get enough people to bug them to spread 100/200 there instead..."


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OK...retard alert...conversation is over...

[RayPowers]

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OK...retard alert...conversation is over...

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I'm glad you finally checked the self retard alarm. It does save time.

Ray

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If the 15/30 has no pool to draw, it will dry up. If the 15/30 dries up there goes the 30/60 and so on.

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I know Mason agrees with you, and generally I do too in all other rooms, but in the case of the Bellagio i don't think it matters. I could of course be wrong.

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I doubt very much the "B" will drop the 4/8 games. It is money in the pocket for them.

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I actually agree with you, there really is no reason for them to drop the games but it wouldn't shock me if they did - odder management decisions have been made before, and with Suzie returning they might be bringing new ideas to the room. 4/8 is found money, business that occurs that they do not actively try to obtain. Equally important is to assure that there is a solution for guests who cannot afford 15/30, at least a table must be made available for this customer. After all they still have penny and $5 slots - it may not overwhelm the room like it does at Bill's across the street but the option is there; I equate this to the same thought process.

[3rdCheckRaise]

Over last 2 years Wynn and "V" tried to get mid-high limit games going. They effort was on a bit higher level then "I'll see if I can get enough people to bug them to spread 100/200 there instead..." and they failed anyway. Do you see why? Your retarded 4-8 game will alsways be good no matter where you play however if you play higher you need fish and fish is at the B.
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What about the huge number of players at the medium stakes that have now been told that the Bellagio is total ass and go play elsewhere?

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Great!!! You go play there and i'll stay with fish here!!!

[Cactus Jack]

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For all of your talk, I have no idea how you can miss the most basic of marketing which the Bellagio seems to be screwing up completely: word of mouth

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Do you really think i care what 4-8 players are saying when the only 100-200 game in town is at the B? Please understand that while B runs those 4-8 and 8-16 games they really do not need them and they need local low limit nits even less.

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Appalling.

[PorkchopDJG]

It might help if they regularly had a 8/16 game going at Bellagio.
There were none or barely one that played shorthanded the few times I was there midweek (W-F) in late March. Like others have said if there are no 4/8 or 8/16 who is going to move up to play 15/30+?
It seems Vegas has a real dead spot between beginner games like 2/4-4/8 and bigger games like 15/30+. I know Venetian is trying to be the place for these games but that doesn't seem to be working either.

Why is there no interest or demand for these more mid-limit (5/10,6/12,8/16,10/20) games in Vegas?