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Old 04-24-2007, 01:50 PM
juku juku is offline
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Hi all,

my first post in 2+2 so I am not sure if this is the right forum.

I am currently trying to improve my move-in strategy in the endgame of NLHE tournaments.

Using Pokerstove to calculate the expectation of preflop distributions I found one result
I cannot explain:

Moving in with distribution
D1:= 55+,A7s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,A9o+,KQo,Qjo
has equity of 39.642% if called by distribution
D2:= 99+,AJs+,AJo+
Now I would like to know if the caller can improve by adding 88 to his calling range.
88 against D1 has 50.325% equity according to Pokerstove.
So I would assume that 88 should be added to the calling distribution D2.
But D1 called by 88+,AJs+,AJo+ has equity of 40.409%.
This (according to my calculation) would improve the overall expectation of the move-in!?

What I do not understand:

The calling distribution D2 consists of 84 hands (99+/36, AJs+/12, AJo+/36).
Adding 88 (6 hands) I would expect that

Equity of D1 vers. (D2,88) = (Equity of D1 vers. (D2) * 84) + Equity of D1 vers. (88) * 6)/90.
This yields: Equity of D1 vers. (D2,88) = (0,39642 * 84 + 0,49675 * 6)/90 = 0,40311
Which would decrease the expectation of moving in.

Do I miss something here? Is there a better place to post this?
By the way I am using Pokerstove version 1.21.

Thanks a lot for Your help!!
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Old 04-29-2007, 08:22 PM
DWarrior DWarrior is offline
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Default Re: Pokerstove question

I guess one explanation is that D2's equity vs D1's range is 60.376%, so any hand that has less equity than that vs D1's range naturally weighs D2's equity down.

As is the case with 88, with only 50.325% equity, when you take the weighted average of that and 60.376 will naturally result in a lower number. However, D2 now has more hands that he's calling with, so overall his net chips won should go up because now he has 6 extra hands that make him money.

Notice how if you take 99 out of D2's range and make it TT+,AJs+,AJo+, his expectation goes up to 60.970 from 60.358. For a more blatant example, make his calling range AA, and his expectation becomes 84.493%. Now, any hand you add to AA will lower his equity. Make it KK+ and his equity drops to 79.159%.

PS, isn't SNG Power Tools a better tool to improve your late game?
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Old 05-04-2007, 01:55 PM
juku juku is offline
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Default Re: Pokerstove question

Thanks DWarrior!

Yes, clearly I see that the overall expectation of the calling (jamming) distribution must decrease (increase) since 88 is a borderline hand of the calling distribution.
My problem is that I would assume that the expectation of the all-in distribution goes up to
(0,39642 * 84 + 0,49675 * 6)/90 = 0,40311 as given above.

Thanks also for mentioning SNG Power Tools which I am currently evaluating.
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