$16 Turbo Stars Bubble with 88

[ih8money]

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t600 with t50 antes (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t975)
Button (t2630)
Hero (t2415)
BB (t7480)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="red">CO raises to t925 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t2365 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

Flop: (t4390) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)


Turn: (t4390) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t4390) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)


Results in gray below:
<font color="#f7f7f7">Hero has 8h, 8d (a pair of Eights)</font>
<font color="#f7f7f7">CO has 5s, Ac (high card Ace)</font>



whats your play? and if its bad to shove over the low stack and not let the big stack in how bad was it?

[RexWoo]

It looks good to me.

Your hand is not strong enough to invite the chip leader and too strong to fold.

[TruFloridaGator]

Standard, no need to post the results and the rest of the streets.

[ih8money]

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It looks good to me.

Your hand is not strong enough to invite the chip leader and too strong to fold.

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k thanks for your opinion, and I agree it was too strong to fold, when i put it in sngpt its +4.2 on the call but the funny thing is its barely postive play at only +.1 to push against the big stack if the other 2 fold, which I found odd with such a strong hand- but blinds are high and he can risk chips so it makes sense. Thanks


oops i had my call ranges for the bb messed up when i put it in for the first two folded- its +2.8 if first 2 fold

[McDirk]

Is this really standard? The blinds are huge in this situation, and the CO could and should be raising with any two cards. If everyone folds to the BB, he will have to call 325 into about an 1800 pot, around 6-1 odds, so he should call with any two cards. When you shove over, you create a pot of 4100 (900 in blinds + 900 UTG + 2300) that he only has to call 1700 to join, offering him a little less than 2.5 to 1. How many hands are between 6-1 and 2.5-1 do you fold out by putting yourself at risk to finish out of the money? It seems like the strength of your hand is outweighed by the size of the blinds and the likelihood that the BB will call with a decent chance of taking out the CO, and even if the CO happens to win he still has to go through the blinds again. I think you should only be in this pot with AA/KK, maybe QQ.

[TruFloridaGator]

McDirk, how are we at risk to finish OTM? We would have to be called by the big stack &amp; have the shorty who pushing insanely wide beat both of our hands with the big stack beating ours. Not to mention we are crushing the shorty's range &amp; showing a lot of strength by reshoving. As you can tell by ih8money's 2nd post, pushing in to the BB if the shorty folds is much more of a concern then reshoving.

[vers]

shove to knock out BB is good and you're way ahead of the short pusher. Even if BB calls you might not be in bad shape, if big stack has a big hand, then you likely go out in 3rd assuming 88 beats whatever trash shorty is pushing.

[IceMuncher]

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Is this really standard? The blinds are huge in this situation, and the CO could and should be raising with any two cards. If everyone folds to the BB, he will have to call 325 into about an 1800 pot, around 6-1 odds, so he should call with any two cards. When you shove over, you create a pot of 4100 (900 in blinds + 900 UTG + 2300) that he only has to call 1700 to join, offering him a little less than 2.5 to 1. How many hands are between 6-1 and 2.5-1 do you fold out by putting yourself at risk to finish out of the money? It seems like the strength of your hand is outweighed by the size of the blinds and the likelihood that the BB will call with a decent chance of taking out the CO, and even if the CO happens to win he still has to go through the blinds again. I think you should only be in this pot with AA/KK, maybe QQ.

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I have no idea what you're trying to say here. You've got some funky logic going on.