There are 46 possible rivers - this is the worst one

[Christian_Peters]

Table was slightly loose, quite aggressive PF - I was pretty sure PFR was not trying to steal here.

PFR/CO is 67/3.7/1.7 for only 27 hands.
BB is 58/0/0.07 for about 80 hands.
MP is 63/15/1.35 for only 46 hands.

Comments on all streets welcome.

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, 1 fold</font>, CO raises</font>, 1 fold</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Do you prefer an iso- 3-bet here? I don't think I had a specific reason to just call rather than 3-bet here, but looking at the limpers' stats, I seriously doubt a 3-bet would have gotten it HU. My plan was essentially to call, and c/r PFR on a safe-flop.

Flop: (8 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets</font>, Hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

The two CC's are very disturbing. Obviously, I feel a large percentage of the time, one of them is on the FD.

Turn: (8 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)</font>
Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Standard.

River: (12 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)</font>
Hero...

CO's playing is entirely consistent w/ KQ - and the other two could easily have been on a FD.

So, do I:

C/C?
B/C?
B/F?

And how does overcalls or multiway showdown influence the correct answer here? That is, if you believe the correct play here is to B/C, is it more or less correct to call a raise if another player calls before us?


Thanks,
Christian

[BigBadBabar]

this is a must-3bet preflop and the hand will play differently. with tt, you don't want lots of hands like a4 and k7 coming along -- you want fewer people seeing the flop since overcards to your tens are fairly likely to hit.

as you played it, c/ring the flop doesn't drive anyone out, because of your position. it just builds a bigger pot since everyone in for one bet is staying in for one more. i might have bet right out hoping to 3bet.

i think i still bet the river and see what happens.

[Christian_Peters]

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as you played it, c/ring the flop doesn't drive anyone out, because of your position. it just builds a bigger pot since everyone in for one bet is staying in for one more. i might have bet right out hoping to 3bet.


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Sure it does. Check out the hand again. BB and MP haven't called any bets on the flop before they face my c/r.

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i think i still bet the river and see what happens.

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And if a player raises, I call no? - well I think that's a pretty obvious yes.
And I think folding to a 3-bet is also obvious.

But I don't know how I feel about making an overcall to a raise on this river.
What do you think?

[BigBadBabar]

my bad, i totally messed up the flop action somehow. sorry about that.

[marchron]

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The two CC's are very disturbing. Obviously, I feel a large percentage of the time, one of them is on the FD.

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CO's playing is entirely consistent w/ KQ

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These are both incorrect, DUCY?

As played, I like the cool-call here. Your stats on CO are obviously not that great, but 27 hands is enough to know that he does not raise light, and you don't want to be 3-betting OOP to a possible monster. But you'll have two other dummies padding the pot.

Flop raise is meh; a 67 VPIP means that his 1.7 AF is psychonuts, so he's betting with an awful lot here, and you may still be good. The problem is the times you're not you're just bloating the pot.

Why, in the name of God, after you hit your perfect card, did you not check/raise the turn? CO will bet again, and now you have him crushed unless he has JJ. You're also cutting down the proper odds for the other two dopes to draw.

River is a bet; call if either of the two monkeys raise, but fold if superpassive BB raises or if it's ever two back to you.

[Riku]

Christian,

I don´t mind the pf call. If you had position, i might 3 bet.

Flop good.

Turn good.

Not sure about the river. After thinking, i bet the river. The players are loose. They could cold call with all sort of things.
Im more worried about the cold callers than the CO, though. He could have lots of other hands than KQ.

/Riku

[Riku]

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Why, in the name of God, after you hit your perfect card, did you not check/raise the turn? CO will bet again, and now you have him crushed unless he has JJ. You're also cutting down the proper odds for the other two dopes to draw.

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That´s an excellent point you´ve got. I didn´t even think of that. But i might be worried if he missed, that he might not bet again with all the callers.

[Fadook]

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Why, in the name of God, after you hit your perfect card, did you not check/raise the turn? CO will bet again

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After Hero c-rd the flop? I don't see why you think he'd bet again. Hero has to lead the turn.

[psy]

I really like your pre-flop and flop action. Normally I'd 3bet PF but I like your line better. Turn is good. On the river I'd bet and prolly call.

Regarding your question from the OP - I don't know if it's more or less correct to call a raise if another player calls before you, but I don't think it really matters. The chance your hand is good is reduced (sad) but it increases the size of the pot (happy). I figure these factors sorta cancel each other out.

[kaby]

In a session 3 days ago, I played vs someone who was like 50/0/.5 after 70 hands. He raised preflop UTG, the hand got to showdown and he turned over .... a6s.

This is a 3bet preflop imho, but I can see your reasoning to just call.

Flop&amp;turn seem standard.

River is a bet/call one back to you imho.