Cheating in sports

[THAY3R]

I hate this argument, just because a government deems one thing illegal, and something else legal, doesn't make one thing bad and the other good.

Think for yourselves people.

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I hate this argument, just because a government deems one thing illegal, and something else legal, doesn't make one thing bad and the other good.

Think for yourselves people.

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But it makes it unfair because not everyone has the same level of access to the substance.

Personally, i dont care how safe or not safe a certain supplement is it makes no difference to me.

(If you want to make HGH legal or whatever, go ahead that fine, and make sure everyone can use it. But it is UNFAIR that some people get to use it and some dont. Just like it would be unfair if some people can get TJ and some cant.)

[Thremp]

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Yeah, the more that comes out about HGH, the more it just seems like snake oil.

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Comments exactly like this show a complete lack of understanding.

[gumpzilla]

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It's called ethics, people. If you can't see the ethical difference between working hard and using drugs to increase performance, I feel sorry for you.

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This isn't the difference. The difference is between working hard with drugs, and working hard without drugs, at least as I understand it.

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That's not the difference either. The difference is between working hard with some drugs that are legal versus working hard with some other drugs that are illegal.

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Pseudoephedrine is banned in all kinds of sports as a performance enhancing drug but is perfectly legal. This isn't really the issue, either.

[Jack of Arcades]

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Yeah, the more that comes out about HGH, the more it just seems like snake oil.

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Comments exactly like this show a complete lack of understanding.

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Fine, let me rephrase:

The more that will come out about HGH, the less we will hear "HGH/Steroids." The common perception right now is that HGH is a super-steroid that's undetectable. But the effects of HGH are different than that of steroids: HGH increases lean muscle mass, and has more effect on muscle definition than anything. So what results is a chiseled look but with little to no strength increase.

HGH's history is filled with its peddlers spouting false promises, such as vast anti-aging effects. It shouldn't be any surprise if its performance-enhancing effects are exaggerated.

Did I do better?

[sam h]

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It's called ethics, people. If you can't see the ethical difference between working hard and using drugs to increase performance, I feel sorry for you.

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This isn't the difference. The difference is between working hard with drugs, and working hard without drugs, at least as I understand it.

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That's not the difference either. The difference is between working hard with some drugs that are legal versus working hard with some other drugs that are illegal.

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Pseudoephedrine is banned in all kinds of sports as a performance enhancing drug but is perfectly legal. This isn't really the issue, either.

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Yeah, I guess I just meant within the sport. I wasn't really disagreeing with you, just noting that all of these guys are pumped with drugs and supplements and that, in general, our society makes a lot of arbitrary distinctions (within the sports world and outside) concerning which drugs to condone.

[ThaSaltCracka]

yeah I had heard that HGH helped improve peoples vision, grew hair back, etc.. stuff like that.

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I hate this argument, just because a government deems one thing illegal, and something else legal, doesn't make one thing bad and the other good.

Think for yourselves people.

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marijuana vs tobacco/alcohol comes to mind

[g-bebe]

This is mindboggling. I don't see how something like surgery to repair a broken tendon or to fix a rotator cuff can be put in the same category as taking roids to improve performance. Nor do I see how you guys can consider Bonds to be one of the greatest players ever; one of the best pure hitters, possibly.

If you're going to tell me he looks bigger now because a human being carries more mass as they age, you've got to get a reality check. The guy has taken drugs, might still be taking them, and he's doing a disservice to his teammates, the league, and the fans by pumping up on whatever he takes. I may not know entirely how all these drugs work, but this is just wrong. It shouldn't be about taking drugs when they're not banned just to get an edge.

[Thremp]

JoA,

Yeah, I wasn't trying to single you out. And actually HGH reopens bone growth plates and increases intestine size more than builds lean muscle. Its also very expensive and has a synergistic effect with roids and insulin. Insulin is probably the most dangerous thing and very anabolic. Reading some of the literature about steroids that is written for bodybuilders will help understanding, though most athletes use dosages that're way too high as athletic performance can be improved very easily with relatively small doses vs. the benefit you'll see from a small does to get an absurd level of muscular development that some people exhibit.

The level of knowledge about juice in baseball is very poor. Then again citing a book in a national article titled "Steroid Underground" isn't exactly going to lend itself to credibility regardless of validity.