Celtics - Page 16

sam h · #**151** 04-10-2007, 03:02 PM

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I really don't get the extension from the franchise's stand point. Let's forget about whether Doc is as bad as he seems.. he DID win a coach of the year award with Orlando (not that it carries a ton of merit, but still). I actually think he's OK. Give him a decent team with some vets, and they'll do decent.

But from last summer through the first half of this year (when everyone just gave up completely), the fans were calling for Doc's head. Big time. I just don't see how it's not in the front office's best interest to move on. It's not like they'd be turning away an amazing deal for a great coach. They'd be turning away an average coach at best. You bring in a new coach, you get some hype about it, fans look forward to a fresh start, and you see how the season plays out.

Now with Doc, he's got no leash to work with from day one. If the Celtics are down 15 in the 4th of the very first game next season, there are going to be "Fire Doc" chants going on. I don't see how that's an ideal way to start the season with a young team. It really just isn't making any sense to me.

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Tanking for Mayo? [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

I agree with you though. Part of it might be that Danny likes Doc, feels he didn't really have a chance this year, and has trouble cutting the cord. Part of it might also be that they aren't enthused by any of the possible replacements right now.

kidcolin · #**152** 04-10-2007, 03:20 PM

I meant to mention that in the last post. Pure speculation, but I think this extension has a decent probability of costing Ainge his job, and that's a shame, because he's a good GM (better than most fans realize). It has a higher probability of leading to a midseason firing next year, which is just stupid given we can cut the cord now.

Green Kool Aid · #**153** 04-10-2007, 03:57 PM

Problem with Gomes is that the other team can always work him endlessly. He can't guard opposing teams' 3s or 4s, and is no better than a 4th option offensively (unless he adds a 3ball to his game).

Replacing Gomes with Durant would make the Celtics so much better.

WRT Doc....If he sets rotations, they will be fine. I've said this before, but here's who I want playing, and how many minutes by next years playoffs assuming a top two pick...

Pierce 40
Jefferson 40
2007 Pick 32
Rondo 30
Allen 30
West 20
Gomes 16
Perkins 20
Green 12

Sleeping on Tony Allen would be a huge mistake. ACL recovery is no big deal for these guys. The above team would be the best in the East within two years.

Toro · #**154** 04-10-2007, 04:32 PM

My big problem with Doc is using too many players and not having a set rotation. But I give him a pass because it may well have been a decision they all made collectively to get all the kids as much playing time as possible for developement and for evaluation.

kidcolin · #**155** 04-10-2007, 04:50 PM

I hope Rondo can learn how to score if he's getting 30 minutes a game. I know his +/- stats are sick, but they won't be if he's averaging 4-5 a game in 30+ minutes.

Aces McGee · #**156** 04-10-2007, 05:13 PM

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WRT Doc....If he sets rotations, they will be fine

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Until we need a basket in crunch time, when we run the patented "give-the-ball-to-Pierce-30-feet-from-the-basket-and-hope-he-doesn't-dribble-off-his-leg-so-he-can-take-a-fadeaway-24-foot-jumper-over-two-guys" offense, a Doc staple.

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Rondo 30
Allen 30

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One of these guys has to learn to hit a jumper before we can play them together that much.

-McGee

Ralph Wiggum · #**157** 04-11-2007, 01:54 PM

Big Al article
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...amp;id=2833022

Interesting how he's seems pretty vocal about not wanting Oden. Seems like it comes from a sense of insecurity, b/c I think it'd make their front court among the best.

kidcolin · #**158** 04-11-2007, 02:10 PM

I read that article and it kind of infuriated me, especially the old quotes from Doc about Al playing hurt, and the comments from Wyc.

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"My personal opinion is that Doc has done a very good job given what he's had to work with this season, in terms of youth and catastrophic injuries,'' Grousbeck said. "He coaches his heart out on every play. He goes for all 48 minutes. If people are happy with the progress of a player like Al Jefferson, they should pay attention to the guy that has been coaching him the past three years.''

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puh-lease. He completely botched Big Al's sophomore year.

I don't take his comments on Oden as insecure, just as "quit pestering us about the draft." That was a reoccurring theme in remarks from the young guys this year. He might be sticking up for his homey, Perk, too.

If they do get Oden, and it's clear they still aren't contending in the East for a 2-3 years, Pierce is the one that'll get shopped, not Al.

teamdonkey · #**159** 04-12-2007, 01:59 PM

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In games where PP has played they average 3.2 3-pt makes per game among players not named Pierce, and those players shoot 34% from beyond the arc-- which are not good numbers.

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ThomasPHoolery - can you explain this more? I always figured 33% from 3 was the equivalent of 50% from 2, making it a good number. You don't think so?

Aces McGee · #**160** 04-12-2007, 02:04 PM

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In games where PP has played they average 3.2 3-pt makes per game among players not named Pierce, and those players shoot 34% from beyond the arc-- which are not good numbers.

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ThomasPHoolery - can you explain this more? I always figured 33% from 3 was the equivalent of 50% from 2, making it a good number. You don't think so?

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34% would put a team near the bottom of the league in 3-point percentage. Now, that's without Pierce so you can argue whether it's a legitimate argument for him to make, but I think that's what he's getting at.

-McGee