consistantly ackward spots.....80-120BB

[jlocdog]

Flopping a big draw OOP happens frequently enough. With 80-120BB it seems that stacks just arn't large enough to c/r or b/3b with enough behind to deal with a blank turn card. Conversely they arn't small enough to justifiably get it all in on a c/r or b/3b without severely overbetting the pot.

Since this spot comes up quite frequently, I was wondering how many of you deal with this spot.....your default line so to speak.

I want to clarify that by 'combo draw', I mean straight/flush draw, NFD+pair, NSD+pair,ect....

[catcher193]

B/3B or
C/R kinda small giving opponent room for a 3 bet bluff/fold.

yeah, obviously there isn't 1 standard, a specific hand is more interesting.

[aggie]

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Flopping a big draw OOP happens frequently enough. With 80-120BB it seems that stacks just arn't large enough to c/r or b/3b with enough behind to deal with a blank turn card. Conversely they arn't small enough to justifiably get it all in on a c/r or b/3b without severely overbetting the pot.

Since this spot comes up quite frequently, I was wondering how many of you deal with this spot.....your default line so to speak.

I want to clarify that by 'combo draw', I mean straight/flush draw, NFD+pair, NSD+pair,ect....

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Wow, this is way to broad a question to give a good answer. Really depends on the exact circumstances like how much (80-120bb's is a big range), how many opponents, preflop action, my image, their images, board texture.....

More often than not though, i lead out with my big draws.

[BobboFitos]

you're allowed to check call sometimes too

[yesplease]

Aggie,

If you are playing a 3/6 nl game. Does having $600 in front of you change your line compared to having $800?

This question was meant to be in a HU hand, i.e, CO raises to $25 and you call with 87s lets say.

(pot is $53) Flop is Ts9c2s.

If you bet pot ($50) and get raised to $150, your 3bet still can't get your stack in there without it being a big overbet. Same goes for a c/r.

If you have $600 to start hand, your 3bet will have to be $525 or $425 more into $250.

If you have $700 to start hand, your 3bet will have to be $625 or $525 more into $250. If we allow CO's raise to be to $200 you're still raising $475 into $300. Seems large, no?

I would like to note that title should have been 100BB-140BB not 80-120BB.

[BobboFitos]

in your example 87s is so huge and never flops that big that it doesnt matter what you do, just as long as you really never fold ever.

[yesplease]

Bobbo,

I agree c/c is fine as well. I guess my question is geared torwards taking a more aggressive approach. Is an aggro approach though not optimal with these stack sizes?

*I do realize that I am not articulating myself well and this post can easily be viewed as one that I despise......quick answer poker. Not what it was meant to be. My retardedness is not allowing me to comunicate properly though. Sorry for that.

I guess I was asking If one has a plan to b/3b or c/r flop then does one find oneself in an odd spot due to stack sizes. That is all I onedurr......

edit this is Jloc on yespleases account...

[BobboFitos]

without revealing anything too important, on t 9 x w/ flush draw i will checkraise 87 no flush and fold to a 3bet all in, i will check call KQ, KJ, QJ, J8, J7 there with some frequency. i dont mind leading out with a 9 there, checkraising and callign a push with a ten, checkraising complete whiffs and folding, B3B with a big flush draw, checkcall a small one. with a little marginal hand (something like Xy or 77) i probably check call although check fold is OK. i wont check call a float oop, with a big hand (overpair and beyond) its a mixture of lead and checkraise, never check call and obv if they raise the lead im probably pushing