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Old 03-26-2007, 10:44 AM
Turlock Turlock is offline
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Default Can I call this push?

$5 Freezeout down to last 200 players 135 get paid .The pusher had pushed first in the last 2 hands and nobody called him.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed)
UTG (t12232)
UTG+1 (t8955)
MP1 (t6479)
MP2 (t12651)
MP3 (t2902)
CO (t3587)
Hero (t3315)
SB (t3886)
BB (t9294)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t3587</font>, Hero ???
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Old 03-26-2007, 11:25 AM
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Default Re: Can I call this push?

No I'd fold it, I think an M of 11 is a little too high to call this- how's he been playing up to last two hands? His hand may well be better than you think as he is pushing 3 times in a row and must expect your calling range to be dropping quickly.
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Old 03-26-2007, 11:28 AM
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Default Re: Can I call this push?

No. Fold it. Wait for a better spot. BB may very well feel obligated to call or be sick of the pushing.
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Old 03-26-2007, 11:29 AM
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Default Re: Can I call this push?

You could...but I wouldn't.
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Old 03-26-2007, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: Can I call this push?

Ok,I called and was shown K9s,and hit my ace.
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Old 03-26-2007, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: Can I call this push?

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Ok,I called and was shown K9s,and hit my ace.

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It's good that it worked out for you. I think you were just letting us know results or what you did.

BUT I thought ekkk, don't think/justify like a donkey. You know, the ones that call your AA w/93o and snap you. "It was a good call. I hit and won didn't I?"

What I trying to say is focus on the big picture. Was you call positive or negative? Can you make it consistently? Will it be profitable? Was it the right call for this point in the tourney? Et cetera.
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Old 03-26-2007, 11:57 AM
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Ok,I called and was shown K9s,and hit my ace.

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Honestly, you probably had a better read on this player than we did (than you gave us). If he really came off to you as willingly shoving hands like these, great read and good call. Given the info. you gave us, he didn't seem that way, thus the fold recommendations.
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Old 03-26-2007, 01:59 PM
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Default Re: Can I call this push?

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Ok,I called and was shown K9s,and hit my ace.

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It's good that it worked out for you. I think you were just letting us know results or what you did.

BUT I thought ekkk, don't think/justify like a donkey. You know, the ones that call your AA w/93o and snap you. "It was a good call. I hit and won didn't I?"

What I trying to say is focus on the big picture. Was you call positive or negative? Can you make it consistently? Will it be profitable? Was it the right call for this point in the tourney? Et cetera.

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Yeah I know,I was just giving the result incase you were interested.
Thanks for your help. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 03-26-2007, 02:08 PM
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Default Re: Can I call this push?

If K9s is the bottom of his range, you should not be calling this push.

Hand 0: 55.243% 50.60% 04.65% 3649373 335381.00 { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 44.757% 40.11% 04.65% 2893041 335391.50 { ATo }

If K9s is dead center of his range or if his range is 50% or more you probably should be calling this push (pushing 3 times in a row can certainly happen even with only pushing top 15% cards)

Hand 0: 45.037% 41.84% 03.20% 1934010 147975.00 { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+ }
Hand 1: 54.963% 51.77% 03.20% 2392983 147983.50 { ATo }

(And there is 300 in overlay, or like 8% in blinds, you are however calling off your whole stack, so your chips and chair are worth more than what you stand to gain)

Now, based on your read, which was it, and are you currently way better than the rest of the field (in which case you might muck even better cards than ATo here)
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Old 03-26-2007, 02:13 PM
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Default Re: Can I call this push?

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If K9s is the bottom of his range, you should not be calling this push.

Hand 0: 55.243% 50.60% 04.65% 3649373 335381.00 { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 44.757% 40.11% 04.65% 2893041 335391.50 { ATo }

If K9s is dead center of his range or if his range is 50% or more you probably should be calling this push (pushing 3 times in a row can certainly happen even with only pushing top 15% cards)

Hand 0: 45.037% 41.84% 03.20% 1934010 147975.00 { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+ }
Hand 1: 54.963% 51.77% 03.20% 2392983 147983.50 { ATo }

(And there is 300 in overlay, or like 8% in blinds, you are however calling off your whole stack, so your chips and chair are worth more than what you stand to gain)

Now, based on your read, which was it, and are you currently way better than the rest of the field (in which case you might muck even better cards than ATo here)

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Well I didn't really have any reads on him that I remember,and I must learn to do all that maths stuff you just posted up! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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