Trickier Sit N Go Question

[voo-doo]

I'm new to this but fold in the 1st place is better because if you folded to a reraise from a larger stack you would only have 500 left {not good}better to make stand with KJ {DECENT HEADS UP} as far as I'm concerned...

[Notfunny1]

Okay, so now that the thread has become silly, I have a question. Would you or should you push any hand here? AA, KK, etc. If so, what is the worst hand you should push?

[paddymcg21]

After being converted by dirtysanchez it seems that with any strong hand limping is the play (Probably even AA). Basically the idea is to make sure the big blind doesnt win the hand. Now if you limp then the small blind will more than likely limp, if the bb pushes his extra 100 then both players call obviously and check him down (if you have AA you cud even call on the flop if the sb puts you in as only with the 3rd best hand do you fail to cash). Same stratedgy with the AA as KJ except if the sb pushes pre flop and the bb folds you can call with the aces (would be horrible if your aces got cracked and one guy had 100 chips left)

[jiacstrap]

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You do realize that in a SNG each chip you win is worth less than each chip you lose, correct?

This can be realized through a simple exercise in logic. Assume a standard 10 person game with a 5-3-2 payout structure. You buy in for $200, your stack is worth exactly $200(not taking into account any skill differential). You now proceed to win the tournament and have all the chips in play. Your stack is worth $1000 rather than the $2000 you would expect if the value of chips were to stay the same throughout.

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Of course. And well put.
However, if poker were a game I played against a machine in a casino, my considerations here may be different... It's only a mathematic and theoretical exercise to a point.

I can understand Davids earlier question about the KK being a bit easier a fold (even though i'm not folding it, i'd say 50% of the time)- but I can understand that.
These circumstances- that stack, these blinds, 2 to act- with K/J, I'm going and will take my 10% edge against a headhunter with a grin.

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When you push landon your giving the player in the big blind a 50/50 chance at cashing with 100 chips left. There is not much you can gain from this situation unless you hit the flop hard with the deep stacks calling you down and losing. Folding is the play.

[paddymcg21]

No calling is the play. If you and the sb limp then you're giving the bb a very small chance of staying alive. If you fold the sb will put the bb all in and the bb will have to call seeing as the odds are very favourable considering he's against only one opponent. He could have 72 off here and still call thinking hes only a 2 to 1 dog. If he does double up (which he has a good chance of doing) then you are now the short stack. That's not good. The play is to limp, the sb shud limp then if the bb puts his remaining 100 in then both of you smooth call obviously. Check him down and with KJ it's very unlikey the bb will win the hand. Like a lot of people have said, the aim is to make the bb lose the hand, not to win it yourself.

[majesty2009]

I think this would largely depend on the type of player that the BB is.

[paddymcg21]

big blind is a good player. BTW it doesn't matter, Call is the way to go.

[drunkencowboy]

jesus f-in christ this is so goddamn vague. uhh.. how many chips do i have? how big are the "large" stacks?

this question is only tricky cause it lacks information. jesus david im gonna burn your goddamn book...

Fundamental Theory of Poker: You gain when you play a hand as if you can see your opponents cards and you lose when you play a hand differently than you would if you could see his cards.

Thats deep. I dont think that was in Super System. Quick, somebody tell Doyle!

I think the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (although rather obvious in itself) actually had a point.

ps

jk

[Gonkjester]

Normally i would never call 600 with 1100 left but I think its the right play here, as long as we're talking about a payout for 1st,2nd and third only. You have the best chance to eliminate the BB and still a good chance to win the hand and increase your stack. You can still decide to fold if the SB raises but unless he has a big hand he probably wont.

[kyro]

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call im too lazy to write it out but call.

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Is the first time I've ever agreed with you?