Grammar vs. Grammer

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less vs. fewer is another one that people [censored] up all the time

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Yes. Every grocery store I've ever been in has a sign saying "10 items or less" over the express lane. Ugh.

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it seems rather arbitrary which points of grammar people get upset about.

for example, when asked "how are you doing?" most people respond "good," and few would fault them for this even though "well" is the more grammatical response.

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That's crap.
"How are you doing?"
"(I'm doing) good"

good = predicate adjective

That makes more sense than "I'm doing well." "good" describes the subject, whereas "well" describes the action. "I'm doing well" is akin to "my ability to be is good", which is just sort of weird.

It's like people who say they feel well. I wonder what would happen if I burned off their fingertips. They'd probably feel pretty bad and badly I suppose.

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Sorry, but "I'm doing well" is the correct response.

"Do" is not one of the few linking verbs that take an adjective. They are:

is/are
become
seem
feel
appear
look
taste
smell

Every other verb takes an adverb.

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"to do" is a transitive verb and has to take an object. "I'm doing well" has no object. If anything I'd say that "am" is the verb and "doing" would be a gerund.

FUN!!

[TheDudeAbides]

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Ending a sentence with a preposition is okay.

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Yes it is. And so is starting a sentence with the word 'and'. Anyone who told you differently is working off a set of grammatical rules developed one hundred years ago. If you don't believe me - ask Phillip Roth. He's notorious for ending his sentences (which happen to be a paragraph long each) with prepositions and starting his sentences with the word 'and'.

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wat kinda person needs help with grammer?

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morans obv.

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winnar!

[econophile]

common grammar errors: (link)

[DrewDevil]

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know what else is really annoying? grammar nits on the internet!

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I find it annoying that people think that grammar, punctuation and spelling are no longer required because it's "the internet." You are still communicating, and paragraphs full of "IM slang" are damn hard to read.

[DrewDevil]

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it seems rather arbitrary which points of grammar people get upset about.

for example, when asked "how are you doing?" most people respond "good," and few would fault them for this even though "well" is the more grammatical response.

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That's crap.
"How are you doing?"
"(I'm doing) good"

good = predicate adjective

That makes more sense than "I'm doing well." "good" describes the subject, whereas "well" describes the action. "I'm doing well" is akin to "my ability to be is good", which is just sort of weird.

It's like people who say they feel well. I wonder what would happen if I burned off their fingertips. They'd probably feel pretty bad and badly I suppose.

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Sorry, but "I'm doing well" is the correct response.

"Do" is not one of the few linking verbs that take an adjective. They are:

is/are
become
seem
feel
appear
look
taste
smell

Every other verb takes an adverb.

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"to do" is a transitive verb and has to take an object. "I'm doing well" has no object. If anything I'd say that "am" is the verb and "doing" would be a gerund.

FUN!!

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Incorrect, sorry.

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When asked, "How are you doing?" many people will immediately answer, "I am doing good." Unless they’re talking about the good they’re doing for their community, they should have answered instead with "I am doing well."



Good and well in the context illustrated above are no doubt two very commonly confused words. Good is an adjective (and a noun in some cases); well can be an adjective or an adverb, but in most cases, it is used as an adverb. In the example sentence, well should be used because an adverb is needed to modify the verb doing. Good is not the most appropriate word to use in this context because adjectives cannot modify verbs.


Perhaps you've also wondered, "What about 'I am feeling good '? Is this correct, or is it 'I am feeling well'?" Here’s where it can get tricky. Both are correct. But isn’t feeling a verb? Yes, but it is a linking verb. Linking verbs are different from other verbs in that they are not performing an action, but are connecting the subject with another word in the sentence. In both sentences, feeling links good and well back to the subject I. Good and well are not adverbs modifying the verb feeling; rather, they are adjectives modifying I, the subject of the sentence. Note that the meanings conveyed are different (feeling good refers to a state of mind; feeling well refers to health), but both are grammatically correct. The same is true when used with other linking verbs such as look. (You look good. You look well.) Looking good refers to attractiveness; looking well refers to health.



In a nutshell:
Good: always an adjective, never an adverb; never modifies a verb but can follow a linking verb and act as a modifier for the subject.



Well: adjective or adverb depending on context. When an action verb is involved, an adverb is needed, and well is always the choice, never good.

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[ScottieK]

OP - Believe me, I used to think this stuff mattered as you do. After reading e-mails from friends and posts on this forum, I have realized something. Spelling and grammar are no longer taught in any level of school, and they are no longer valued by society. It's all been replaced by a MS-Word function that can't even do the job right. My sense of pride in spelling correctly is, at best, a memento of a time long forgotten. At worst, it is a false sense of worthiness, cultivated from years of lies perpetrated by my parents and teachers. I suspect you have had a similar experience.

My English teachers were relentless. Spelling test after spelling test. Diagramming sentences. Subject-verb agreement. "Ain't isn't a word." All in the noble effort to make my classmates and me appear educated to the real world. When I got to the real world, I realized that all my spelling and grammar prowess doesn't mean s***.

As seen on this forum, no one cares. Heck, Clinton tried to redefine the word "is." Bush can't pronounce "nuclear." If these are the leaders of the free world, then why did our teachers cram our brains with this crap? Who knows, maybe I could be president one day if I wasn't such a f***ing grammar nit.

So how can we cope with this new reality? There is something you can do about it, my friend. After my realization, I immediately checked myself into nit rehab. It's going slow, but well. I've started to whip off e-mails without a second, third, or fourth edit. The best part is, I don't give a f*** what the person reading it thinks about my education or my mangling of the English language. In rehab, our slogan is "you know what I meant, so shut up already."

Rehab is awesome. We get Krispy Kremes and Dunkin' Donuts at the drive-thru for breakfast. We take texting class to learn what "ne1" and "u r 2 stoopid" mean. Chaucer is required reading. In retrospect, I think he had it right all along.

Society has evolved, and it is beautiful. I suggest that you and the other grammar nits find your own moments of clarity.

ScottieK

[DrewDevil]

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OP - Believe me, I used to think this stuff mattered as you do. After reading e-mails from friends and posts on this forum, I have realized something. Spelling and grammar are no longer taught in any level of school, and they are no longer valued by society. It's all been replaced by a MS-Word function that can't even do the job right. My sense of pride in spelling correctly is, at best, a memento of a time long forgotten. At worst, it is a false sense of worthiness, cultivated from years of lies perpetrated by my parents and teachers. I suspect you have had a similar experience.

My English teachers were relentless. Spelling test after spelling test. Diagramming sentences. Subject-verb agreement. "Ain't isn't a word." All in the noble effort to make my classmates and me appear educated to the real world. When I got to the real world, I realized that all my spelling and grammar prowess doesn't mean s***.

As seen on this forum, no one cares. Heck, Clinton tried to redefine the word "is." Bush can't pronounce "nuclear." If these are the leaders of the free world, then why did our teachers cram our brains with this crap? Who knows, maybe I could be president one day if I wasn't such a f***ing grammar nit.

So how can we cope with this new reality? There is something you can do about it, my friend. After my realization, I immediately checked myself into nit rehab. It's going slow, but well. I've started to whip off e-mails without a second, third, or fourth edit. The best part is, I don't give a f*** what the person reading it thinks about my education or my mangling of the English language. In rehab, our slogan is "you know what I meant, so shut up already."

Rehab is awesome. We get Krispy Kremes and Dunkin' Donuts at the drive-thru for breakfast. We take texting class to learn what "ne1" and "u r 2 stoopid" mean. Chaucer is required reading. In retrospect, I think he had it right all along.

Society has evolved, and it is beautiful. I suggest that you and the other grammar nits find your own moments of clarity.

ScottieK

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Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[KilgoreTrout]

I can quit being a grammar nit netime i want2.