NL50 6m: AJ. C-bet an ace on the flop or check behind? - Page 2

Thremp · #11 03-21-2007, 05:51 AM

evg,

Where do you come up with this stuff?

MightySan · #12 03-21-2007, 06:26 AM

As you will see, I was reasoning somewhat like 0evg0. Decided to check my marginal hand.

Flop: ($6) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($6) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ...

Bet? How much?

takingcontrol · #13 03-21-2007, 06:34 AM

value time. I'd be trying to milk him for 2 dollars here and another two on the river.

Freelancer · #14 03-21-2007, 07:27 AM

Jezus you bet here because villains see you bet the flop all the time and call you with whatever pair/high card they've got (seriously even these nitty villains do this) no reason what so ever to check and let villain spike his out for free.

Also if you bet the flop it doesn't mean that you have to bet the turn/river as well...

danny8 · #15 03-21-2007, 07:49 AM

depends how you've been playing... if your raising fairly frequently and c-betting, you have to bet this flop...

If you've been cbetting a lot, he'll call with a very wide range. you cant cbet when you miss, and check when you hit.

as played bet $4 or somehting on the turn

MightySan · #16 03-21-2007, 07:56 AM

Yes... If you c-bet 100% flops, you should c-bet here too. But we are speaking about EV at this spot )). An opponent would call a turn bet with any pair and high card too, if he would call on the flop...
Also some tough guys like to c/r on a bluff when facing c-bet. Then it would be a bad spot for us... I would really prefer to have 56o then ))).
Although, I wouldn't post this hand if I knew the best play here )). Looking for opinions.

aufbruch · #17 03-21-2007, 08:42 AM

I like the c-bet because it allows us to make the least future mistakes with our hand, along with the chance of taking down the pot right there - don't forget that the board still looks scary to villain.

We can happily fold to a flop re-raise or turn donk and we check behind the turn if we get the chance to keep the pot small with our marginal holding.

We'll evaluate river if we get there.

Much of the valuse at these limits is from value-stacking donks. You won't be doing this here. C-bet and take it down or move on knowing you were beat.

CanYouCallThis · #18 03-21-2007, 08:47 AM

Depends on your own style of play. I CB >90% of the time, so I simply have to CB this, in order not to give out a read "hey, I'm holding an Ace".

So if you CB a lot, you should also place a CB here. If not, check and try to get a bet from anypair.

MightySan · #19 03-21-2007, 04:47 PM

Ok. I decided to bet the turn. Slowplay with 2 checks from the villian seemed to be unlikely. So we are ahead - most likely.

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.5, SB (poster) calls $2.25, 1 fold, MP folds.

Flop: ($6) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($6) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4.

River: ($14) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ...

Hm... Villian called our bet on the turn, but he hasn't a strong hand. As soon as any hand > AJ would bet the river (and more important - the turn), after his third check we are definately going to bet. How much? I don't know whether I've made an optimal bet here...

RunDownHouse · #20 03-21-2007, 05:07 PM

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even if this 16/5 did have AXs (which he doesnt), you're still getting the same amount of bets out him whether you decide to bet flop or not. it's not like he's going to C/C you down with his A7s on all 3 streets.

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Uhh, he will do exactly that with his KQ when you check the flop and a K hits on the turn.

Furthermore, you're very wrong about a flop bet turning hero's hand into 56o, for a lot of the same reasons you're wrong about villain never calling a flop bet when behind.

Even farther, you're wrong about him always calling with any pair when hero checks the flop; good luck getting 33 to call a turn bet on a K.

You should probably think things through a little more instead of making absolute statements.